Shula, take note

[B.BERSIN]

What is Rivera thinking about his OC?

[MedellinHeel]

The only thing that matters at the end of the day is WINNING. 

 

PPG is a terrible measurement. I will take the more efficient team rather than the highest scoring team. Look at Luck and the colts. They put up a ton of points cause their defense is poo and if they dont air it out with big plays and score big points then they have no chance of winning. 

 

Think of it in terms of basketball. It is very similar to football

Kobe needs to shoot 30 to 40 times and needs to hit most of his shots to keep his team in the game cuz their defense is poo. 

Lebron just needs to shoot 20-30 times and drag out offense possessions because their defense is awesome. 

 

Lakers score 110 pts while Heat score 85. Clearly PPG is more important right?

 

Efficiency is most important stat. Well, Points per drive is technically most important. 

 

However you can be an efficient high paced team. Being efficient doesn't necessarily mean you have to be conservative run first burn clock type of O. 

 

The problem with being a TOP based O is that even if you do great the score will still be relatively close allowing the other team to hang around and have a chance late. 

 

We have one of the best D's in the league. Id rather speed things up and get more possessions as I think we can score more on other teams D than they can score on ours. More chance to stretch out the lead. 

[teeray]

Efficiency is most important stat. Well, Points per drive is technically most important.

However you can be an efficient high paced team. Being efficient doesn't necessarily mean you have to be conservative run first burn clock type of O.

The problem with being a TOP based O is that even if you do great the score will still be relatively close allowing the other team to hang around and have a chance late.

We have one of the best D's in the league. Id rather speed things up and get more possessions as I think we can score more on other teams D than they can score on ours. More chance to stretch out the lead.

I hate to repeat same ole arguments, but Yin and Yang principle

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there are positives and negatives to either pace. End of the day, if you find a winning formula like we mostly have over last 23 or so games I feel like you stick with it.

[B.BERSIN]

Yeah, we had a 3rd and short and he calls for a long pass, then we have a third and long and he calls a short near-shuffle-like pass trying to be cute.

 

Thank goodness that Cam to Olsen is about as surest a thing as we have, and even Shula can't fug that up.

 

I'm fine with the 3rd and short and calls a long pass, which could surprise the defense. But the shuffle pass is totally a fuging bad idea.

 

Yeah, glad Olsen catches everything thrown to him.

[MedellinHeel]

I'm fine with the 3rd and short and calls a long pass, which could surprise the defense. But the shuffle pass is totally a fuging bad idea.

 

Yeah, glad Olsen catches everything thrown to him.

 

A fade / go route is probably the hardest pass to complete in football (defended / covered). 

 

Gonna do a long pass it needs to be a deep out, post, or come back. 

[BigCat]

Shula needs to catch up with the league far as pass/run. In the past you could run first then play action for open receivers. Nowadays your receivers are the primary and the run supplies a boost as needed. Case in point on yesterday just before halftime Cam threw first causing the Defense to play back opening up some small lanes for the backs. This is how you win today.

[MadHatter]

A fade / go route is probably the hardest pass to complete in football (defended / covered). 

 

Gonna do a long pass it needs to be a deep out, post, or come back. 

 

I understand the point you are trying to make.  However (as already said in this thread), that OC that everyone wanted last year (Jackson) made the exact same call last night.....long fade on a 3rd and short

[panthers1234]

Efficiency is most important stat. Well, Points per drive is technically most important. 

 

However you can be an efficient high paced team. Being efficient doesn't necessarily mean you have to be conservative run first burn clock type of O. 

 

The problem with being a TOP based O is that even if you do great the score will still be relatively close allowing the other team to hang around and have a chance late. 

 

We have one of the best D's in the league. Id rather speed things up and get more possessions as I think we can score more on other teams D than they can score on ours. More chance to stretch out the lead. 

 

And you think we have the players on offense to do this?

 

I mean I can see it with Chicago with Alshon, Marshall, and Forte. You could probably stretch out the lead by playing high offense. 

 

The panthers???

 

Terrible OL that cant create holes? All RBs hurt? Non mobile Cam Newton?

 

We only have KB who is still a bit inconsistent, Olsen, and Pocket Passer Cam. Not exactly what you would want in a high powered offense. 

[Darth Biscuit]

The uptempo approach has worked week in and week out... I really hope he learns from that more than anything.

 

 

This right here should be the best answer for this thread.  Literally every time we go up tempo or 2-minute drill, Cam lights it up.  

[cookinbrak]

 

3rd and 3- deep pass, 4th down.

 

3rd and 17- 3 yd run, 4th down.

 

Maybe Shula is dyslexic?

[Udogg]

One day we will have a reasonable discussion about Shula on this board.   It's 2 or 3 reasonable post and 40 "he needs to be fired because he sucks".

 

People call you an apologist if you point out:

1.  OC's aren't calling plays expecting people to drop footballs,  whiff on blocks, or fumble.

2.  Situational football is never taken into consideration.  For instance maybe a shovel pass is the best option on a 3rd and 18 deep in your own territory, late in the game.  Rather than going into a deep drop with a suspect Oline and the defense most likely playing a cover 4 deep zone sitting 15 yards off the ball.

3.  That the OC's call a play but the QB has the option to check out into something else depending on the look. I know it's blasphemy but maybe a play not working is Cams/WR/RB fault.

 

 

Saying things like:

I think Shula can look into incorporating the uptempo style more.

I think Shula should look into more spread formations with 3 WR 1 TE  putting Cam into 2/3 step drops.

 

Even though they could be countered by Ron Rivera probably doesn't want an uptempo offense because it doesn't allow the defense to rest if you go a quick 3 and out.  At least it could be argued we could use a mix of it.

 

Those can be debated and make sense in context.

 

The Shula sucks because he sucks arguments are stupid.   

People get these ideas in their head and refuse to look objectively unless they get beaten over the head with it. 

[Marguide]

 For instance maybe a shovel pass is the best option on a 3rd and 18 deep in your own territory, late in the game. 

 

Pie for not calling it a "shuffle" pass.

[panthers55]

People constantly bitching about Shula obviously watch the games but have no clue what they are seeing.  How many of the drives in the first half were stopped by turnovers or penalities that had nothing to do with Shula?  Look at the first 3 and out where the receiver had the first down and dropped it.  What about all the drops by Benjamin.  

 

Shula called good plays but our execution was very poor.  Shula has used a number of reverses, trick plays, tight end screens, etc to energize the offense.  He also seems to make very good half time adjustments given the running game was struggling and the line was struggling as well.  To score 24 points without an adequate O line and no running backs to speak of was a very good feat yesterday.  All of the comparisons to Shula 10 years ago are just stupid folks.  His playcalling now has evolved worlds from back then. The truth is that everyone faulted him back then for running all the time and not having a very prolific passing attack.  But right now we are 10th in yards per passing play and 12th in total yards passing.  It is the run game that is sorely lacking and Shula knows the running game.  With Cam limited and none our starting 3 backs healthy it is a struggle to move the ball at all.  Given we have almost all new receivers, the fact we are generating only 2 less points than last year is pretty good in my book.

 

Sure the bomb on third down was puzzling to be kind but hardly the problem yesterday.  Why not take over the hate blinders and look at the situation more objectively.

[MedellinHeel]

And you think we have the players on offense to do this?

 

I mean I can see it with Chicago with Alshon, Marshall, and Forte. You could probably stretch out the lead by playing high offense. 

 

The panthers???

 

Terrible OL that cant create holes? All RBs hurt? Non mobile Cam Newton?

 

We only have KB who is still a bit inconsistent, Olsen, and Pocket Passer Cam. Not exactly what you would want in a high powered offense. 

 

I simply put more stock into coaching than you do apparently. 

 

Some guys are simply able to more do with less and keep a system / scheme running even with revolving doors. 

 

We can move up the field in a hurry, we have done it numerous times but it is usually when we are down or in a 2 minute drill. But that is with good play calling. Understanding what the defense is doing and exploiting their weak spots with the most optimal play / routes. ie holes in a zone or picks, drags, and come backs with man etc.