Shula, take note

[panthers1234]

I guess if your not scoring 30 pts per game your going to get criticized. You guys know the defense is a much bigger concern right? 

 

We have no RBs, no OL, a super slow Cam, and you expect us to be great. Heck if we can just be in the below avg/avg range with our talent on offense you should be really happy. Sorry but when your given pieces like Bell Chandler Reeves you can only coach so much. Its like expecting Fua to be decent if you coach him right. Ya he can probably mask some of his weaknesses and make him seem that bad but at the end of the day he still isnt very good and coaching can only do so much 

[CPantherKing]

Could you point me to these rankings you speak of?

 

You judge an offensive coordinator on the following: (Giving you the ranks of Shula as the Panthers OC to all other offenses from 2013 to current week 2014)

 

- Plays per drive. Rank 3 

- Play call balance. 55% pass / 45% run Rank 7

- Time of possession per drive. Rank 2

- Yards per drive. Rank 13

- Scoring drive percentage. Rank 11

- Turnover drive percentage. Rank 2

 

The raw data is available to anyone.

 

These are the aspects the OC controls. Also, these key measures have a direct correlation to points/wins in the NFL. This shows you if the OC is putting their players in a position to win. Any other statistic one would use to assess a team is constructed off of these base components.

 

Pendry was ranked 20 or lower in every category.

 

Haskell was ranked 20 or lower in every category but 2. Scoring% and TO% were top 10.

 

Musgrave/Williamson ranked 20 or lower in all categories.

 

Henning ranked 20 or lower in all categories except TO% (Rank 18).

 

Davidson ranked 26 or lower in all categories except TO% (Rank 18).

 

Chudzinski Rank 12 plays/drive; 15 balance; 4 yards/drive; 8 time/drive; 10 Scoring%; 12 TO%

 

So, Chud only bests Shula in 1 category.

 

Warning to everyone: Be careful what you wish for, and remember the inefficient offenses you have had for years. You have one of the better OCs in the NFL right now regardless if you like his style or not (which I do not). The best? No. But you have 10 OCs you could get that are better, and they are all employed. Roll the dice on a new OC and your odds of worse are obviously greater. Just look at what the Panthers had for 16 seasons prior to Chud and Shula.

 

Would we like to have a Manning at QB, a Marshawn Lynch at RB, a Calvin Johnson at WR, or a JJ Watt on the defensive line? I am sure we all would, but you are asking for the small percentage of players that are elite. You are complaining because you want perfection. You want the best offense in NFL history. Well sometimes we have to be glad we have a top 10 and support what we have. Complain about the parts of the team that are among the leagues worst players/units.

 

Check the pitch forks and torches at the door before you burn down something that works and has a high level of success. You can always hope for perfection, but do not expect it. Cherish the elite players/coaches you do get to see in your lifetime, and respect the good players/coaches.

[MedellinHeel]

I guess if your not scoring 30 pts per game your going to get criticized. You guys know the defense is a much bigger concern right? 

 

We have no RBs, no OL, a super slow Cam, and you expect us to be great. Heck if we can just be in the below avg/avg range with our talent on offense you should be really happy. Sorry but when your given pieces like Bell Chandler Reeves you can only coach so much. Its like expecting Fua to be decent if you coach him right. Ya he can probably mask some of his weaknesses and make him seem that bad but at the end of the day he still isnt very good and coaching can only do so much 

 

But who was situational playcalling? 

 

A long fade / go route on 3rd and short. That is probably the hardest pass to complete in football when covered. If you are gonna run a long route on 3rd and short atleast make it something more reasonable like a post, deep out, or come back. 

 

A draw / shuffle play on 3rd and long using scrub RB's at that. I mean I might could understand if you have AP back there and the D had 5 in the box with backed off coverage. 

 

Shula is just not a good OC. Widely inconsistent and way to many headscratchers. 

[MedellinHeel]

 

You judge an offensive coordinator on the following: (Giving you the ranks of Shula as the Panthers OC to all other offenses from 2013 to current week 2014)

 

- Plays per drive. Rank 3 

- Play call balance. 55% pass / 45% run Rank 7

- Time of possession per drive. Rank 2

- Yards per drive. Rank 13

- Scoring drive percentage. Rank 11

- Turnover drive percentage. Rank 2

 

 

 

But who was PPG? The only thing that really matters at the end of the day?

[CRA]

Could you point me to these rankings you speak of?

Pts per drive

Yards per drive

TO per drive

He doesn't play a style that gives either side lots of opportunity to pad stats that are driven by touching the ball often in a game. We were very efficient last year.

[CRA]

But who was PPG? The only thing that really matters at the end of the day?

Pts per drive matters more. Shows more in terms of how good you are when you play offense and takes away inflated numbers a lot of teams get in garbage time

[CRA]

But who was situational playcalling?

A long fade / go route on 3rd and short. That is probably the hardest pass to complete in football when covered. If you are gonna run a long route on 3rd and short atleast make it something more reasonable like a post, deep out, or come back.

A draw / shuffle play on 3rd and long using scrub RB's at that. I mean I might could understand if you have AP back there and the D had 5 in the box with backed off coverage.

Shula is just not a good OC. Widely inconsistent and way to many headscratchers.

Hue Jackson just did it tonight against NE on 3rd and 2 that Shula did.

[top dawg]

Yeah, we had a 3rd and short and he calls for a long pass, then we have a third and long and he calls a short near-shuffle-like pass trying to be cute.

 

I know that we had some fluky type turnovers today, but if we had lost the game today, t would have been because of some questionable play calling.

 

Thank goodness that Cam to Olsen is about as surest a thing as we have, and even Shula can't fug that up.

[Kuhndog94]

The Uptempo offense wears out the defense which helps our oline.

Think about that Shula...

[CPantherKing]

But who was PPG? The only thing that really matters at the end of the day?

 

No sir. PPG comes from special teams, defense, and offense. Cannot credit an OC with ppg.

 

Secondly, you cannot compare a 15 drive game that produces a 49-42 score against a 9 drive game that produces a 21-14 score.

 

In a game you cannot have one team with 16 drives and another team with 8 drives. The drives will be even between the two teams in a single game. What style of game is the question. So, when you compare a team like the Eagles, Broncos, or Saints to a team like the Seahawks, 49ers, or Panthers on a per game basis you will see skewed stats. When you look at it on a per drive basis you get a clearer picture of how they will trade punches in a game. And then you get a beat down of a team like the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

 

PPG stats are used to market to consumers because they are bigger and brighter. PPD stats are used for evaluating production. If you want to measure inches and seconds, you look at drive production.

[teeray]

But who was PPG? The only thing that really matters at the end of the day?

No it isn't

[teeray]

No sir. PPG comes from special teams, defense, and offense. Cannot credit an OC with ppg.

Secondly, you cannot compare a 15 drive game that produces a 49-42 score against a 9 drive game that produces a 21-14 score.

In a game you cannot have one team with 16 drives and another team with 8 drives. The drives will be even between the two teams in a single game. What style of game is the question. So, when you compare a team like the Eagles, Broncos, or Saints to a team like the Seahawks, 49ers, or Panthers on a per game basis you will see skewed stats. When you look at it on a per drive basis you get a clearer picture of how they will trade punches in a game. And then you get a beat down of a team like the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

PPG stats are used to market to consumers because they are bigger and brighter. PPD stats are used for evaluating production. If you want to measure inches and seconds, you look at drive production.

This seems to be very hard for some people to understand.

That is why possession stats >>>>>>>> total stats

[panthers1234]

But who was situational playcalling? 

 

A long fade / go route on 3rd and short. That is probably the hardest pass to complete in football when covered. If you are gonna run a long route on 3rd and short atleast make it something more reasonable like a post, deep out, or come back. 

 

A draw / shuffle play on 3rd and long using scrub RB's at that. I mean I might could understand if you have AP back there and the D had 5 in the box with backed off coverage. 

 

Shula is just not a good OC. Widely inconsistent and way to many headscratchers. 

 

Sure you can point out certain plays where the play calling is questionable. Now go and find an OC who called a perfect game without any questionable calls and then make sure that OC is doing it 16 games + playoffs. 

 

Heck if you want to go into details you can nit pick at Cam Newton or any other player on our team. Mistakes WILL be made but at the end of the day if your doing more good than bad and that results in wins then your doing good enough. 

[panthers1234]

But who was PPG? The only thing that really matters at the end of the day?

 

The only thing that matters at the end of the day is WINNING. 

 

PPG is a terrible measurement. I will take the more efficient team rather than the highest scoring team. Look at Luck and the colts. They put up a ton of points cause their defense is poo and if they dont air it out with big plays and score big points then they have no chance of winning. 

 

Think of it in terms of basketball. It is very similar to football

Kobe needs to shoot 30 to 40 times and needs to hit most of his shots to keep his team in the game cuz their defense is poo. 

Lebron just needs to shoot 20-30 times and drag out offense possessions because their defense is awesome. 

 

Lakers score 110 pts while Heat score 85. Clearly PPG is more important right?