The 3 players Hurney traded up for

[Matthias]

Really?? Is the hate that much that you've fabricated a way that JR made a personal decision based on hom wanting Luck??

Dude how do you know he didn't want Gabbert? ?

Again JR doesn't talk to scouts or scout player. He doesn't go to pro days or the combine. He doesn't watch coach tape or talk to high school community college or teachers of prospect. Hurney did all of that. JR just owns the team and meet players after Hurney has picked them.

There is no way JR is giving his opinion on a player before Hurney has.

 

Yet don't you think it's a little strange that so much research went into Cam, as you might say unprecedented research, to convince JR Cam was the guy?  It doesn't make sense if there were better options than Cam, and Hurney is considering those options.  Ultimately, it wasn't that hard a pick.  Most teams would have made the decision to draft Cam if they couldn't trade out of the pick.  If you were going to draft a QB that year, Cam was the pick.  He was going to be the first QB off the board.  All that Gabbert hype was just that.  Even the Bills didn't take him, and they were desperate for a QB just like us.  In fact, he was the 10th pick that year.  Hurney went QB, and Cam was the only choice.

[Matthias]

People fail to mention the new player agreements, and rookie salary caps also started the year Hurney drafted Cam, that played a HUGE role in drafting Cam and taking the lowered risk. A bust would not have destroyed and set back a franchise like years' past. You can bet that swayed an owner like JR more than anything to take a chance on Cam.

We'll never know but in my opinion, had this not been the case, I honestly don't think the Panthers would have taken Cam.

 

That's a good point.  Funny enough, Cam exceeded expectations, but Hurney was still let go anyway.  The writing was on the wall for him at the end of the day.

[Mr. Scot]

The good news is that its only a little over 3 million. Davis, Kalil, and Stewart all have voidable years in 2018.

 

You keep a spreadsheet?

[Mr. Scot]

 

 

That may be the funniest graphic I've seen in years

 

[WOW!!]

Yet don't you think it's a little strange that so much research went into Cam, as you might say unprecedented research, to convince JR Cam was the guy? It doesn't make sense if there were better options than Cam, and Hurney is considering those options. Ultimately, it wasn't that hard a pick. Most teams would have made the decision to draft Cam if they couldn't trade out of the pick. If you were going to draft a QB that year, Cam was the pick. He was going to be the first QB off the board. All that Gabbert hype was just that. Even the Bills didn't take him, and they were desperate for a QB just like us. In fact, he was the 10th pick that year. Hurney went QB, and Cam was the only choice.

Just stop with the BS. You obviously don't remember the flack and question this team took when taking Cam. And no not every team would have taken Cam. And No Cam wasn't the consensus number 1 choice. It was a high risk high reward situation. I don't understand how you have come up with this scenario in your mind. Jr has never been a scout or talent evaluator so he has never came to Hurney and said pick this guy.

[Matthias]

Just stop with the BS. You obviously don't remember the flack and question this team took when taking Cam. And no not every team would have taken Cam. And No Cam wasn't the consensus number 1 choice. It was a high risk high reward situation. I don't understand how you have come up with this scenario in your mind. Jr has never been a scout or talent evaluator so he has never came to Hurney and said pick this guy.

 

He might have said look into this guy.  Again the background of it all would suggest all this, that JR made a big deal about him not having tattoos and having a dinner with him and his family.  Yet even if my instincts are wrong about that, it still wasn't a hard pick to make.  I remember pretty much every "official" mock draft had us taking Cam.  I should know, because I wanted to draft another guy in Dareus.  In fact I was one of the ones who said anyone (meaning only Green, Peterson, Dareus, and even Von Miller) would have been better than drafting Cam.  Yet most people had us taking Cam, and that made me mad.  In spite of all that, I agreed if we went QB, Cam was certainly the guy to pick.  I also knew he was a top 3-5 player.  I just fancied more traditional QB, where Cam was more dynamic than that.  I don't give Hurney that much credit at all for picking Cam, but hey, I don't give Gettleman credit for picking Lotulelei.  Of course we all agree Gettleman is a good evaluator of talent.

[SIGCHI222]

That may be the funniest graphic I've seen in years

 

 

I agree.  When I saw it I knew right away I would be using it repeatedly on here.  It has that je ne sais quoi.

 

I am not as eloquent with words or thought transfer as you and many others on here but, if you ever write a book...let me be the illustrator.

 

[Mr. Scot]

 

I agree.  When I saw it I knew right away I would be using it repeatedly on here.  It has that je ne sais quoi.

 

I am not as eloquent with words or thought transfer as you and many others on here but, if you ever write a book...let me be the illustrator.

 

 

 

I'll give your info to my people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(as soon as I get people)

[WOW!!]

He might have said look into this guy. Again the background of it all would suggest all this, that JR made a big deal about him not having tattoos and having a dinner with him and his family. Yet even if my instincts are wrong about that, it still wasn't a hard pick to make. I remember pretty much every "official" mock draft had us taking Cam. I should know, because I wanted to draft another guy in Dareus. In fact I was one of the ones who said anyone (meaning only Green, Peterson, Dareus, and even Von Miller) would have been better than drafting Cam. Yet most people had us taking Cam, and that made me mad. In spite of all that, I agreed if we went QB, Cam was certainly the guy to pick. I also knew he was a top 3-5 player. I just fancied more traditional QB, where Cam was more dynamic than that. I don't give Hurney that much credit at all for picking Cam, but hey, I don't give Gettleman credit for picking Lotulelei. Of course we all agree Gettleman is a good evaluator of talent.

I highly doubt JR has ever said look into this guy or that guy when talking about the college draft. And Cam wasn't mocked number 1 until a week and a half before the draft. When the media finally got hey that we had done all the extensive back ground work on him and knew he would be the pick. If it was like you said why wasn't contracts already negotiated like most number 1 overall picks were before the draft. At least talks would have begun but they weren't. Again it's crazy for you to have fabricated in your mind that Cam was a clear cut pick or JR had any prior action into him before Hurney.

Hurney made a lot of mistakes which he deserves credit for. But he also gets props for the Cam and Luke pick which neither were easy.

[AU-panther]

You keep a spreadsheet?

 

No.  I'm not that smart.

 

I just know were to look.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers

Click the 2018 tab.

[C47]

To get an idea of why Hurney is no longer the GM, you only have to look at who was picked in the next round after Cam.

 

That'd be no one. 

 

At least not by us, because that pick had been traded away for the privilege of drafting Armanti Edwards.

 

For that matter, take a look at the rest of the picks made in that draft.  Except you really can't because none of them play here anymore, and that draft was only three years ago.

 

You wanna be GM of a winning team?  You need at least some of your lower round picks to contribute.

 

 

You mean like Greg Hardy or Captain Munnerlyn? Or does "some" not qualify as "some"? I could throw in some other late rounders that were valuable role players, and some mid rounders who've been home runs but I don't care enough to.

 

Yeah Hurney made some good picks, but I wouldn't give him too much credit for Cam.  We were looking for a franchise QB at that time, or really a franchise anything.  Hurney was trying to save his job as well.  A lot of things went into the Cam pick.

 

Yes because any GM trying to save his job counts on a rookie QB to have immediate success in order to do so....

 

 

I'm not a Hurney fan or hater. He sealed his fate with some of the deals he handed out. But those of you who are saying unequivocally that Gettleman >>>>> Hurney already are jumping the gun quite a bit. Let Gettleman build a team with HIS guys before you go and crown him as GOAT. 

[Guild]

You mean like Greg Hardy or Captain Munnerlyn? Or does "some" not qualify as "some"? I could throw in some other late rounders that were valuable role players, and some mid rounders who've been home runs but I don't care enough to.

 

 

Yes because any GM trying to save his job counts on a rookie QB to have immediate success in order to do so....

 

 

Great point about GH.  Really that is a homerun pick right there, despite his legal issues of late he has turned into a very good DE.

[heel31ok]

For Otah, Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards and Frank Alexander together we traded:

 

1st (17th overall)

1st (28th overall)

2nd (33rd overall)

2nd (43rd overall)

3rd (76th overall)

4th (109th overall)

 

I don't think adding Alexander to the list is really apples to apples.it was a good pick.

 

[WOW!!]

He might have said look into this guy.  Again the background of it all would suggest all this, that JR made a big deal about him not having tattoos and having a dinner with him and his family.  Yet even if my instincts are wrong about that, it still wasn't a hard pick to make.  I remember pretty much every "official" mock draft had us taking Cam.  I should know, because I wanted to draft another guy in Dareus.  In fact I was one of the ones who said anyone (meaning only Green, Peterson, Dareus, and even Von Miller) would have been better than drafting Cam.  Yet most people had us taking Cam, and that made me mad.  In spite of all that, I agreed if we went QB, Cam was certainly the guy to pick.  I also knew he was a top 3-5 player.  I just fancied more traditional QB, where Cam was more dynamic than that.  I don't give Hurney that much credit at all for picking Cam, but hey, I don't give Gettleman credit for picking Lotulelei.  Of course we all agree Gettleman is a good evaluator of talent.

 

 

 

 

Easy pick right??