So why not do it like last year?

[Mr. Scot]

When I think of the West Coast offense, I think of Running backs that can do it all. Block, run, and catch. Route running is very important in the West Coast offense. Also shorter drop backs and quicker releases. 

 

Our running backs are a mess and Kelvin is limited in his route running. Jason Avant is the only receiver I can think of with extensive experience in the West Coast. Jonathan Stewart doesn't fit the West Coast and I don't think our offensive line is a great fit for it.

 

I've seen Cam take a shotgun snap and do a 3 step drop. This buys him time from the interior rush but it puts enormous pressure on our tackles Chandler and Bell. The further Cam drops back, that harder it is for our tackles to block. And Cam takes a LOT of deep drop backs.

 

Both the Coryell and the Bill Walsh system have been called "West Coast Offense" before.  These days most people who say "West Coast Offense" are referring to Bill Walsh's system.  The Coryell is more commonly referred to as "Air Coryell".

 

The best explanation I've heard of the difference between the two is that the Coryell system concentrates on the vertical while the Walsh version involves more horizontal thinking.  In fact, I've heard a poorly executed WCO referred to as a "horizontal offense".

 

You and some others here are touching on some of the things I think are involved, but I'm still waiting a little longer to give my own thoughts.

[Mr. Scot]

Go watch Brady back in his prime of the 2007, that dude had a cannon throwing it 60-70 yards downfield for Moss.  

 

Why doesn't Carolina use Cam's arm like that?

 

Long passes require receivers running routes that take longer to develop, which requires that the O-Line give the quarterback more time.

 

You've seen our O-Line

 

[Cyberjag]

WCO is all about timing, and you have a QB who missed a lot of camp combined with receivers that are all new.  Timing patterns probably aren't your friend in that scenario...

 

With that said, Coryell isn't ALL about long balls, it's about letting the defense pick it's poison.  It starts with a power running game, and if you sell out to prevent the pass you're going to get run on all day long.  Usually defenses try and stop the run, which leaves passing opportunities in the flat or long.  If you're a DC and you have to play man on one, are you going to do it in the flat, where accuracy is typically higher, or deep, where your guy might get help and where you might have time to rush the passer?  Most DCs elect to cover the short passing game, which is one reason why Coryell has the deep ball/big play rep.

 

If you think about it, Olsen is still Cam's favorite target, and most of our longer plays are actually of the intermediate variety.  What we don't seem to be doing as much of this year as last is throwing screens or pitching it to RBs out of the backfield.  GIven that they're a little banged up, and that our receivers don't have the open field ability of Smith, that shouldn't be a big surprise either.

 

Those are my thoughts on it, as misguided as they may be... 

[Mr. Scot]

WCO is all about timing, and you have a QB who missed a lot of camp combined with receivers that are all new.  Timing patterns probably aren't your friend in that scenario...

 

With that said, Coryell isn't ALL about long balls, it's about letting the defense pick it's poison.  It starts with a power running game, and if you sell out to prevent the pass you're going to get run on all day long.  Usually defenses try and stop the run, which leaves passing opportunities in the flat or long.  If you're a DC and you have to play man on one, are you going to do it in the flat, where accuracy is typically higher, or deep, where your guy might get help and where you might have time to rush the passer?  Most DCs elect to cover the short passing game, which is one reason why Coryell has the deep ball/big play rep.

 

If you think about it, Olsen is still Cam's favorite target, and most of our longer plays are actually of the intermediate variety.  What we don't seem to be doing as much of this year as last is throwing screens or pitching it to RBs out of the backfield.  GIven that they're a little banged up, and that our receivers don't have the open field ability of Smith, that shouldn't be a big surprise either.

 

Those are my thoughts on it, as misguided as they may be... 

 

No, they're pretty good.

 

I talked a little more about Coryell core principles in the other thread.

[bleys]

BUTT YOU KENT RUNZ WES COOL OFINCE WEN WE RUNE CORYALL!

OMMMMFZ, I KNOW FOOSEBALL SO WE'LL!

[Mr. Scot]

BUTT YOU KENT RUNZ WES COOL OFINCE WEN WE RUNE CORYALL!

OMMMMFZ, I KNOW FOOSEBALL SO WE'LL!

 

That's the answer I was looking for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe not

 

[KendrickPanther]

I also feel like we brought in John Ramsdell to refine our down field passing attack. Win or lose, we have to work at it to become good at it. We can't rip up the playbook every week because losing sucks. Our passing attack has looked great when Cam has time. But when we eventually get into 3rd and long, the pass rushers get home on Cam. 

 

The way we have put together strong opening drives the past 2 weeks tells me the Panthers have scripted plans to attack a defense but eventually they get off schedule and the plan breaks down.

 

We have featured our passing attack extensively the past 4 weeks, it feels almost like they have a new set of golf clubs and want to use them. Even if there is a period of adjustment.

[Cyberjag]

So anyway, have you noticed that this year we've dabbled in the no-huddle and a more run and shoot style?

 

Just because it doesn't always work or hasn't been effective doesn't mean that they're not trying something new.  But even though everyone is saying that our receivers as a unit are better, we really miss Smith in the open field and Ginn's ability to stretch the defense.

[ricardo22compleano]

Were going to do it better then last year 13 and 3 or 14 and 2 im calling it , we are such a talented team and got great coaches were bound to go on a win streak no excuse to rule us out. T.d and stewart both in pads. We get fozzy back hopefully and we got obi , obi is going to go off im telling you he might be that arian foster type of rb we been looking for . Im more then confident we are gunna kick the bears shathole this week at bac and I will be there in the front row loving every sec of it. Oh and yea frank alexanders back this is his year to shine! And hes gunna go off along with charles johnson and addison we will look like we did vs the lions we are a great team dont loose hope no more negativity

[Mr. Scot]

So anyway, have you noticed that this year we've dabbled in the no-huddle and a more run and shoot style?

 

Just because it doesn't always work or hasn't been effective doesn't mean that they're not trying something new.  But even though everyone is saying that our receivers as a unit are better, we really miss Smith in the open field and Ginn's ability to stretch the defense.

 

Game breaking speed is the one thing I think our receiving corps lacks this season.

 

Tiquan Underwood was probably supposed to provide that, but he just wasn't good enough.

 

[PanthersAlv]

Game breaking speed is the one thing I think our receiving corps lacks this season.

Tiquan Underwood was probably supposed to provide that, but he just wasn't good enough.

Isn't Philly Brown kinda showing he might be that threat now?

[Mr. Scot]

Isn't Philly Brown kinda showing he might be that threat now?

 

Potentially.

 

[PanthersAlv]

Potentially.

I meam he is a rookie and still learning. But he's proven he can make the quick and tight catches.

I know this isn't what the topic is, but looking "forward" I can maybe see Philly as that threat and maybe even Bersin as the Avant style guy with KB being the big target.

Here's hope'n I guess.

[Squirrel]

Because this team doesnt have the fight in them that last years team did. They where defeated at halftime against Baltimore.