shula is a symptom, not the disease

[Mr. Scot]

Man, I hate what a lousy 2 game losing streak can bring out in fans.

 

If it gets to 3 or 4 games, this place might become unreadable.

 

Beyond that, I don't even wanna think about it

[Fiz]

....with zero NFL caliber tackles.

 

 

 

Someone pour me a whiskey.

The Falcons are trotting out one NFL caliber LINEMAN, and Matt Ryan is going to throw for 5,000 yards. 

 

there are ways to work around talent deficiencies. 

[Fiz]

Ron Rivera did not pick out Chudzinski.

 

Believe me or not but he was completely Hurney's decision. 

[Mvp2014]

Shula should never have been promoted to OC.

End of story.

He was one of the last people standing when the rest of the league thought Rivera was going to be axed and they deferred to Newton's personal comfort level.

Sometimes, the people who make us grow, are not the ones who make us 'comfortable'.

This x100.

JR isnt a problem bc he wants a run focused attack. I dont think the good coaches want to coach here, probably the same reason Luck stayed at Stanford. We're just a bargain bin team that scrapes the bottom of the barrel for nearly every hire

[Fox007]

 

This is eery.

 

 

In Tampa Bay GM Rich McKay stepped in and forced Dungy to fire Shula. Their relationship wasn't the same after that. I hope it doesn't come down to it.

 

Then Tampa went on to win a SB.

 

 

We will only get a new OC when Rivera is no longer the head coach.

 

 

I don't see him firing his own guys.

 

Fine by me Rivera isn't a spectacular head coach by any means.

 

 

The problem with Ron firing Shula is that Ron himself approves the playbook and the strategy on gamedays. So firing Shula is also him admitting he isn't that great of a head coach.

 

 

Or people would take it as a sign that what they were doing wasn't working so they decided to learn from their mistake and progressively move toward having a more dynamic offense. If Rivera did that it would say more about him as a HC actually because right now he's average at best and a move like firing Shula would peg him up.

 

Then again nothing says Carolina Panther football like sticking with what doesn't work for far too long. 

[Cyberjag]

The Falcons are trotting out one NFL caliber LINEMAN, and Matt Ryan is going to throw for 5,000 yards. 

 

there are ways to work around talent deficiencies. 

 

So is your thesis that the reason we are not going to work around these deficiencies is because Jerry Richardson doesn't want the offense to be that creative, or because Shula is not that creative?  I'm still trying to understand if you think Richardson is choosing anyone but the HC.

[Razeyfingers]

I dont know what you want to call the NFL. Passing league, Rushing league, whatever.  All I know is the calls you get from the refs and risk/reward you get for being a passing team outweighs any reason for having a heavy running team. At this point the rules committee and the refs are funneling teams to more passing.

 

You cant sneeze on receivers anymore, can barely hit the QB, tackling restrictions. . it just doesnt make sense to not take advantage of that. 40 yard penalty cause this guy blew a kiss at at a receiver while he was running his route. Now the receivers are getting bigger and it just looks like the defense can only answer by getting to the QB as quick as possible.

 

Fiz, you could at least make an effort to use a euphimism instead of 'when he's dead'. whatever

[panthers1234]

Personally I don't think this has anything to do with management. The biggest problem is the players. 

 

The team is much like a building. Removing Hardy is like removing a key column holding up the building. This makes CJ and the DTs less effective. When they are less effective the opponents OL can bully Luke and the other LBs which causes a chain reaction into the secondary. When the DEs arent producing then the DTs wont produce which cause the LBs not to produce which exposes our secondary. 

 

Basically its the opposite of last year where our DL was super elite providing constant pressure which freed up the LBs to do amazing plays which made the secondary look amazing. 

 

1 or 2 players have a chain reaction to the overall team chemistry. Removing Cam or Luke will cause the offense/defense to fail but in this case I think Hardy maybe the key piece that caused the defense to fail. 

[igor]

unfortunately, it is very difficult to argue against that theory

he cares more about saving money and getting players with good charactor regardless of talent , and never takes chances on players with a track record

[Nick_81]

he cares more about saving money and getting players with good charactor regardless of talent , and never takes chances on players with a track record

How have the players that do have character issues done with us?  How much have you enjoyed the "spotlight" that it brings?  I'd rather not have it as a fan, much less as someone in the front office.

[Mr. Scot]

he cares more about saving money and getting players with good charactor regardless of talent , and never takes chances on players with a track record

 

Like, say, drafting a quarterback with an NCAA scandal and a report of a stolen laptop on his record?

 

The notion that Jerry Richardson doesn't care about winning is one of the flat out stupidest ideas that hangs around this board.

 

He may have a different idea of how to win than some on here have, but the idea that he doesn't care about winning is just ridiculous.  No one who's spent any time around him gives that any credence at all.

[firefox1234]

Personally I don't think this has anything to do with management. The biggest problem is the players.

The team is much like a building. Removing Hardy is like removing a key column holding up the building. This makes CJ and the DTs less effective. When they are less effective the opponents OL can bully Luke and the other LBs which causes a chain reaction into the secondary. When the DEs arent producing then the DTs wont produce which cause the LBs not to produce which exposes our secondary.

Basically its the opposite of last year where our DL was super elite providing constant pressure which freed up the LBs to do amazing plays which made the secondary look amazing.

1 or 2 players have a chain reaction to the overall team chemistry. Removing Cam or Luke will cause the offense/defense to fail but in this case I think Hardy maybe the key piece that caused the defense to fail.

Injuries and personnel changes are expected. It is the job of the coaching staff to adjust their game plans accordingly and so far that has not been the case. I don't know how its all the players fault when the coaches are the ones who select the players and implement game plans. I agree execution comes down to the players but if you have seen the last two weeks both sides are at fault and in my opinion more on the coaches who havent made proper game plans with the players they currently have.

[Guild]

Like, say, drafting a quarterback with an NCAA scandal and a report of a stolen laptop on his record?

 

The notion that Jerry Richardson doesn't care about winning is one of the flat out stupidest ideas that hangs around this board.

 

He may have a different idea of how to win than some on here have, but the idea that he doesn't care about winning is just ridiculous.  No one who's spent any time around him gives that any credence at all.

 

I am unconvinced that Jerry Richardson's (like most owners) idea of winning doesn't begin and end at the nearly 10 billion dollars a year in revenue the league brings in.  Why should I believe otherwise?  This is just show business and we pay the same for a poo show.

 

Perhaps (probably) I'm just bitter.

[Mr. Scot]

I am unconvinced that Jerry Richardson's (like most owners) idea of winning doesn't begin and end at the nearly 10 billion dollars a year in revenue the league brings in.  Why should I believe otherwise?  This is just show business and we pay the same for a poo show.

 

Perhaps (probably) I'm just bitter.

 

Well for one, we've spent pretty much right up to the salary cap every season up till now.  A lot of teams don't do that.

 

More relevant to me though is the fact that anyone who's actually worked with him directly always says he badly wants his team to be a perennial contender.  I take those opinions way more seriously than I do fan speculation.