Rivera: Panthers Tempted to Unleash Cam?

[Nick_81]

I hate Shula and want to see him gone

Ramsdell? Greatest show on turf? The guy is sitting on the sidelines, waiting. I think next season, we see the change. He's obviously insurance, and one hell of an offensive mind.

[*FreeFua*]

I have no idea why Cam would ever want to stay once his contract is up. This team has done nothing to show him their serious about winning, something Cam clearly cares alot about.

DG goes ahead and extends Shula and Rivera after one season where the bounces went their way. Sure doesn't take much to earn an extension for the Panthers. Now we're stuck with a defensive minded head coach and a clueless OC. Cam will continue to be handcuffed as long as he stays here.

This team needs to show Cam they're serious about winning and make much needed changes immediately. Something needs to be ton about the OL, make a trade or something. It's become unacceptable at this point.

[pstall]

The only thing about roll-out passes is it cuts your passing zone in half.

Now I'm not saying you're wrong and that we shouldn't try these kinds of things, but you limit your passing options on a roll-out pass.

Right. You don't do this every down. You sprinkle it in so the def has to be thinking of it.

When your talent is down or you arw injured you have to use the element of surprise and mix it up.

[Pox 08]

I like the way Cam is playing now if it reduces his risk of further injury.

 

I wish Rivera and Shula would stop listening to the media and have a plan.

 

This is the NFL. Rivera, should have know (but then again, just look at Rivera's history) that Nothing is For LONG, and that his beloved Panthers defense may not be what he wanted it to be. After all, it's only been really good for a season, and decent for half a season (2nd half of 2012 when Luke took over). These guys fell asleep on the offense.

 

Right now (as I've said countless time), the passing game is better than the putrid and injured running game, so they better find a way to make both work with out killing Cam.

 

Of course many of us will say "it's not easy, because". But hey, that's why you wear the Big Boi pants in the NFL, receiving that Big Boi Salary.

 

Anyone can coach when things are going well.

 

it puts him more at risk.  He is getting slaughtered behind our Oline.  Literally pounded into the ground.    While he is in the pocket,  and defenders know  there is virtually no risk of him running,  they are teeing off on him,  going for his ribs or ankles nearly every other hit. 

[footballisasport]

Except that its pretty damned obvious that UNLESS HE DOES, other parts of the offensive game (especially the running game by the RBs) will be stonewalled by defensive adjustments that we don't have the ability to compensate for because of our shitty OL.

 

Cam is the straw that stirs the drink.

 

That is unless put the straw in the drink and choose NOT to stir.

 

 ELITE teams make the necessary adjustments. Remember many of u were claiming that Cam needs to learn to sit and throw from the pocket? He's now doing so and u're freaking out. Make up your darn minds already. 

 

On a side note...The Pats a getting their behinds handed to them by the Chiefs, 41 to 7. See what happens when u surround a game managing QB with players and some good coaching. Imagine what can happen if Cam was so lucky. 

[footballisasport]

I have no idea why Cam would ever want to stay once his contract is up. This team has done nothing to show him their serious about winning, something Cam clearly cares alot about.

DG goes ahead and extends Shula and Rivera after one season where the bounces went their way. Sure doesn't take much to earn an extension for the Panthers. Now we're stuck with a defensive minded head coach and a clueless OC. Cam will continue to be handcuffed as long as he stays here.

This team needs to show Cam they're serious about winning and make much needed changes immediately. Something needs to be ton about the OL, make a trade or something. It's become unacceptable at this point.

 

4 season later and the fans have more ideas about how to run this team than the coaches. Even thou those ideas can be changed in the twinkling of an eye, at least they are ideas. From what I've seen, this team lacks imagination. 

[Marguide]

Did any of you read the article before you went on a rant?

 

What Rivera was saying is they have to manage Cam's health. He mentioned listening to both the trainers and Cam and trying to do the right thing long term. Of course he has been held back, but it hasn't been as much by Rivera or Shula as it has by his ankle and ribs.

 

This is a lot of outrage over nothing.

[*FreeFua*]

4 season later and the fans have more ideas about how to run this team than the coaches. Even thou those ideas can be changed in the twinkling of an eye, at least they are ideas. From what I've seen, this team lacks imagination.

Did you see the TD Alshon Jeffrey scored yesterday? I've said before I love how the Bears use Alshon and how they find different ways to get him the ball.

Tonight Alex Smith has managed to move the ball downfield many teams without actually having to throw downfield. Must be a nice luxury to have.

It's the same vanilla BS with Shula every week. Your post above was perfect. Before this year it's always been "Cam needs to learn how to become a pocket passer" everyone took his running for granted. Now we have ZERO running game and it's "Cam needs to start running more" the kid can't win here with this fan base.

[FootballMaestro]

Did you see the TD Alshon Jeffrey scored yesterday? I've said before I love how the Bears use Alshon and how they find different ways to get him the ball.

Tonight Alex Smith has managed to move the ball downfield many teams without actually having to throw downfield. Must be a nice luxury to have.

It's the same vanilla BS with Shula every week. Your post above was perfect. Before this year it's always been "Cam needs to learn how to become a pocket passer" everyone took his running for granted. Now we have ZERO running game and it's "Cam needs to start running more" the kid can't win here with this fan base.

 

Bingo!

 

Now it's 'Cam's Fault' that the team has no run game (even before the injuries), because Rivera is "holding him back" or he's too injured trying to heal.

 

My question is: What happened the vaunted run attack every Tom Dick and Harry Media Person always referenced.

 

The Panthers don't have one. That's the answer.

 

As many of us always knew, Cam Newton was responsible for the majority of the Panthers offense, which everyone fed off of.

 

However, it doesn't have to be that way. Benjamin, Cotchery, Olsen and Avant, are good enough to throw the ball to on a regular basis. But of course we know the RB's and OL are not up to stuff. Cam covered for these guys for three years since his arrival.

 

Now it's up to Shula and Rivera to figure it out (make the offense work), if they can.

 

Running down the clock, and handing off to the current RB's (injured or not, is not going to work) is not going to work. Running Cam to death, to make up for their lack of Cam-less run games not going to work either.

 

However they do it. The Panthers need a professional offense, like every other NFL team has, or strives to be.

[footballisasport]

Did any of you read the article before you went on a rant?

 

What Rivera was saying is they have to manage Cam's health. He mentioned listening to both the trainers and Cam and trying to do the right thing long term. Of course he has been held back, but it hasn't been as much by Rivera or Shula as it has by his ankle and ribs.

 

This is a lot of outrage over nothing.

What Cam is going through is no different than when any QB gets hurts. The problem with this team and it's fans is, way to much dependent on Cam's talent to plug the holes and weaknesses that have been plaguing this team for quite a few seasons now. No one seems to want to seriously fix the problem. All folks want to do is simply win an SB trophy on a dime and the back of their QB

[footballisasport]

Bingo!

 

Now it's 'Cam's Fault' that the team has no run game (even before the injuries), because Rivera is "holding him back" or he's too injured trying to heal.

 

My question is: What happened the vaunted run attack every Tom Dick and Harry Media Person always referenced.

 

The Panthers don't have one. That's the answer.

 

As many of us always knew, Cam Newton was responsible for the majority of the Panthers offense, which everyone fed off of.

 

However, it doesn't have to be that way. Benjamin, Cotchery, Olsen and Avant, are good enough to throw the ball to on a regular basis. But of course we know the RB's and OL are not up to stuff. Cam covered for these guys for three years since his arrival.

 

Now it's up to Shula and Rivera to figure it out (make the offense work), if they can.

 

Running down the clock, and handing off to the current RB's (injured or not, is not going to work) is not going to work. Running Cam to death, to make up for their lack of Cam-less run games not going to work either.

 

However they do it. The Panthers need a professional offense, like every other NFL team has, or strives to be.

 

A lot of teams have been showing us that u don't need to be as talented as Cam to win games consistently. U just need a darn good coach who isn't afraid of calling out players when they are not holding their end up.

 

The last two losing games went like this for the Panthers: Against the Steelers, who had a clear opening in middle, abandon the running game and subject Cam to endless sacks as he finds open men to throw too for the majority of the night. Against the Ravens, bring back the Running game and keep it there despite the them shutting that down, and all but abandon the passing game.

 

U don't think teams are going see that weakness in this team and exploit it? That is just adding to the other weaknesses of this team.

[Marguide]

Tonight Alex Smith has managed to move the ball downfield many teams without actually having to throw downfield. Must be a nice luxury to have.

 

Did you see how well KC ran the ball? Did you see KC's OL pushing around NE's DL?

 

The OL is the root of the problem. 

[*FreeFua*]

Did you see how well KC ran the ball? Did you see KC's OL pushing around NE's DL?

The OL is the root of the problem.

Yep, like I said it must be nice. Alex Smith only had to make a handful of throws (while given a nice pocket to do so) tonight. Kelce was able to pick up 2 first downs on screens plays and Charles a TD on a screen play out wide. Why we don't set up the odd screen to Benji out wide is beyond me.

Cam has shown time and time again that with the slightest bit of time he can make any throw. Cotchery and Avant aren't burners and aren't going to get alot of separation. But when given time look at the throws Cam has completed to those two.

Get Cam a half decent line and an OC with a few brain cells and the sky is the limit.

[LA_Panther]

I was anti Shula from day 1, but I kept it quiet until late last season.

Putting Shula in charge of a Cam newton offense was like giving grandma the keys to a ferari .... he doesn't know how to use Cam