Is there any chance at all that Shula will be fired soon?

[FootballMaestro]

I think it is the offensive system in the redzone or maybe its bad game-planning in the redzone. We have to take shots at the endzone like we did with Cam to KB both times. One was the S failed to get over, but he also was thrown off because Cam was going through his reads on the one side and came back to KB once he saw he was open. The other was a one on one and KB beat his man, he was just barely out of bounds. Cam had good protection on both of those plays. The Ravens find one on ones down there and Flacco throws it up and allow his guy to make a play. Atleast get a PI. Cam has one hell of an arm, so go aggressive. You're right on penalties and sacks, but lack of aggression hurts as well. You compare Cam numbers to other QB's and one of things that low in comparison is TD's. We have a big redzone threat and even Cotchery had 10 Td's last season, that has to mean something

 

Yeah, it's almost like Shula and Rivera, have to remember, this is not last years Panthers team.

 

It's almost like they're a afraid to go to the endzone.

[Panthers9503]

You could take a playbook, throw all the plays in a hat, let a 2 year old pick them out one at a time, and it would be more effective than the garbage Shula is doing.

[FootballMaestro]

That is an idea, but then you have to install an entirely new offense in 2 days and one that doesn't require an o line.

Normally when I get ticked off I can rumble off a bunch of ideas that I think would help, but the last two games the o line has been so bad I don't know what to do.

Right now my idea is to just almost abandon the run and take the sacks and negative plays, but hop for big chunk plays when o line actually blocks someone

 

The "vaunted" Panther "running game" that every tom, dick and harry commentator always declared, was actually a product of Cam Newtons, as many of us already knew/believed.

 

Take a way Cam's run threat, and those guys suck. Where is the RB run threat?

 

Of course, now the OL is even more horrible run blocking than pass blocking, but the OC must compensate for this, with maybe the short passing offense from the second half of 2012 (after getting rid of Chud)?

[Panthers9503]

Take away Cam Newton's production and Carolina has a bottom 5 run game over the last 3+ seasons.

Cam Newton has been the entire offense since the day he got here.

[FootballMaestro]

Take away Cam Newton's production and Carolina has a bottom 5 run game over the last 3+ seasons.

Cam Newton has been the entire offense since the day he got here.

 

If that's the case, then Shula is even more a fool, trying to force the run today, just cause the no nothing media told you the Panthers need to utilize their vaunted fake "run game".

 

SMH

 

[Ken]

Giants OLine is just as bad as ours. But look at how their OC calls plays. Quick strikes in the passing and complementary running game. Last 2 games Eli barely got hit beause of the play calling.

Do anyof us see Shula calling a game anywhere close to that?

[updownsigma]

I think it is the offensive system in the redzone or maybe its bad game-planning in the redzone. We have to take shots at the endzone like we did with Cam to KB both times. One was the S failed to get over, but he also was thrown off because Cam was going through his reads on the one side and came back to KB once he saw he was open. The other was a one on one and KB beat his man, he was just barely out of bounds. Cam had good protection on both of those plays. The Ravens find one on ones down there and Flacco throws it up and allow his guy to make a play. Atleast get a PI. Cam has one hell of an arm, so go aggressive. You're right on penalties and sacks, but lack of aggression hurts as well. You compare Cam numbers to other QB's and one of things that low in comparison is TD's. We have a big redzone threat and even Cotchery had 10 Td's last season, that has to mean something

 

Those deep shots we take to Benjamin develop really quickly too.  I know everyone thinks we can't pass deep because of our poo protection, but on Kelvin's TD today, the ball was out of Cam's hands in 2.63 seconds.  (I went back and hand timed it, so that's probably slower than it actually was.)  Some people might say getting the ball out that fast on the TD was a fluke because of the blown coverage, but I timed KB's TD against Tampa as well ... ball was also out in less than 3 seconds.

 

Basically, those deep vertical routes don't take as long to develop as people think.  What kills us is these deep crossing routes with no check down that we always call, those are the ones where Cam ends up taking coverage sacks.

[firefox1234]

I dont see why not! If he keeps putting the ball in the hands of rookie free agent RBs and not our best weapons at WR and TE then he should be. Something needs to change whether its someone else to call plays or him getting canned so another OC can be given a chance. We cant keep losing games like this. Our defense cant take all the poo, the offense can and needs to throw then a bone.

[Evodion]

Shula isn't going anywhere this year lol, and either is this offense with him running it, and the plethora of issues we have.

[firefox1234]

The thing about Shula which is frustrating is it's fixable. We are moving the ball. It's not like we're constantly going 3 and out. People mention our oline and it needs to be fixed as well, but its not like we're playing a high school oline. They do ok in spurts. I remember hearing the announcers say we were doing good on 3rd down at a certain point. He just calls the wrong plays during the worst times. We come out every game looking like we're about to run the scoreboard and he calls something that puts in a bad position, he's bad at situational football

We have to attack the endzone more when we get down there. Stop playing for a FG and stop relying on our defense to hold teams to 0 points every game. Let's be honest we have a very good D(healthy), but it's not an all-time great defense. We have several weaknesses. Our offense do their job, you looking at a different ball game cause it then forces the opposing team to score and become one dimensional. Atleast thats how I see things

I completely agree! It was frustrating to watch out capable offense play like that have no talent on the field watsoever. The playcalling was and has been way to conservative which only turns into the team shooting themselves in the foot and then more pressure is added on the D. This offense can score points but for some reason the game plan is like we cant score points. Cam maybe hurt but his arm is as good as the best of them.

Also if all your main RBs are down why would you still continue to ignore your passing weapons!

[The Lobo]

It is bad if I can predict our plays and I am a pasty, white, nerd with glasses who has never played higher than high school football and my job has nothing to do with football.  Just imagine what a well paid NFL coaching staff could do against us......piss

[FootballMaestro]

Giants OLine is just as bad as ours. But look at how their OC calls plays. Quick strikes in the passing and complementary running game. Last 2 games Eli barely got hit beause of the play calling.

Do anyof us see Shula calling a game anywhere close to that?

 

The irony is; this is what Shula started doing the 2nd half of 2012, after the Panthers fired Chud. They started throwing short, quick passes, cause the OL couldn't hold their blocks long enough.

[Rise of The Hive]

We have a better shot of having a healthy backfield at this point.