Is there any chance at all that Shula will be fired soon?

[duke11693]

The Defense looks worse than the O right now

[rayzor]

The thing about Shula which is frustrating is it's fixable. We are moving the ball. It's not like we're constantly going 3 and out. People mention our oline and it needs to be fixed as well, but its not like we're playing a high school oline. They do ok in spurts. I remember hearing the announcers say we were doing good on 3rd down at a certain point. He just calls the wrong plays during the worst times. We come out every game looking like we're about to run the scoreboard and he calls something that puts in a bad position, he's bad at situational football

We have to attack the endzone more when we get down there. Stop playing for a FG and stop relying on our defense to hold teams to 0 points every game. Let's be honest we have a very good D(healthy), but it's not an all-time great defense. We have several weaknesses. Our offense do their job, you looking at a different ball game cause it then forces the opposing team to score and become one dimensional. Atleast thats how I see things

the quick easy and best fix is to fire shula and let ramsdell take over.

look at shula's history and show me where he's been capable of change. he's doing the exact thing he's done everywhere else.

people kept defending the notion of promoting shula to OC by saying just because he was bad in the past doesn't mean he will here, you know, because he can learn from his mistakes or whatever.

well, has he? i don't see it.

[teeray]

The thing about Shula which is frustrating is it's fixable. We are moving the ball. It's not like we're constantly going 3 and out. People mention our oline and it needs to be fixed as well, but its not like we're playing a high school oline. They do ok in spurts. I remember hearing the announcers say we were doing good on 3rd down at a certain point. He just calls the wrong plays during the worst times. We come out every game looking like we're about to run the scoreboard and he calls something that puts in a bad position, he's bad at situational football

 

We have to attack the endzone more when we get down there. Stop playing for a FG and stop relying on our defense to hold teams to 0 points every game. Let's be honest we have a very good D(healthy), but it's not an all-time great defense. We have several weaknesses. Our offense do their job, you looking at a different ball game cause it then forces the opposing team to score and become one dimensional. Atleast thats how I see things

 

When the o line blocked well we got chunk plays.  The fact we did okay is only credence to the idea that the offensive system isn't the problem.

 

The problem is we are driving the ball, then take a sack.  Or get a holding penalty, or can't get the 3rd and short.

 

It isn't the offense.  And I personally don't think playcalling is the issue either usually (although I did not really like the way we called the game after getting way behind).

 

But Shula had a bad day today.  And he needs to figure it out or else he is going to be the scapegoat and he is going to get fired.  And he should.

 

But if an offensive line cant pass block or run block you are screwed, and probably bringing in a new coordinator isn't going to fix much.

 

It is like bringing in a new doctor to treat a body that is already dead

[FootballMaestro]

I have defended Shula as much as anybody, and to me, this was his worst game since Buffalo last year.

There is a serious issue with the o line that is making it hard for any OC to deal with, so just replacing Shula or changing play calls is not going to suddenly make everything okay.

But the bottom line is it looks like we can't just assume the defense is going to play well, and Shula needs to go back to the drawing board.

I was worried this week when he said he needed to call more running plays. Not that I disagree we need to establish the run, but because we need to do something that works. It reminds me of the Buffalo game were he got butthurt for being called to conservative against Seattle so he just flipped to other extreme and had us chucking the ball 40 yards down field every other play.

Don't worry about what fans are saying, don't worry about media critiques, just figure it out and do what is effective.

If need to pass 40 times, then fugging do it. If we need to rush 50 times, fugging do it. Don't run the ball more because someone said u should, do it because it is working.

Honestly, I love watching offenses, and with this o line I don't know what we should do. But Shula is getting paid 6 figures to figure this poo out. And if he doesn't he is already the scapegoat and he will be unemployed in January

 

Regardless of the Panthers current problems, this is how you know Shula's in over his head.

 

There is a certain rhythm feel and cadence to calling games. Even if an OC said to themselves, "I want to have 30 runs and 30 passes", and they stuck to it. There maybe stretches of the game, where he passes 7 times in a row (2 short slants, one up the middle to the TE, a screen pass, a play action up the middle, etc.), then he may run 3X in a row, then go for a bomb 30 yards down on the opposite side of the field. It's a feel, situational thing. It's as much as a dance, as it is chess. Shula appears to lack both the intellectual, and instinctive feel of the job. You just know it or sense it when you see it, as you know Cam and the receivers look good out there, regardless of the lack of points put on the board.

 

And if Shula, appears to call plays based off of fan and media criticisms (and not his own mind, feel, and instinct), then his play calling and cajones aren't worth shat!

 

[TheRed]

I don't think it's really going to matter much who our OC is unless we can get an actual NFL caliber OL.

[stirs]

Our Oline is playing so poorly at the moment, I don't think there are any plays left to call that would work

[Chief Keek]

Don't count on it, he just got a 3-year extension over the offseason.

[rayzor]

[teeray]

the quick easy and best fix is to fire shula and let ramsdell take over.

look at shula's history and show me where he's been capable of change. he's doing the exact thing he's done everywhere else.

people kept defending the notion of promoting shula to OC by saying just because he was bad in the past doesn't mean he will here, you know, because he can learn from his mistakes or whatever.

well, has he? i don't see it.

 

If you think this is an easy fix you are in for a disappointment. 

 

Teams are crowding us short.  So all these quick passes and stuff people are talking about, aren't going to do anything except throw the ball where the defenders are.

 

For two weeks the deep and intermediate areas are the areas that are open.  But we can't attack that unless o line blocks long enough to give us time to exploit it.

 

Why put defenders deep if the other team can't exploit it? 

 

What that does is, unless you catch someone blitzing (which teams are getting pressure with 3 and 4 guys) there are no quick easy passes.  If you can't get the ball downfield HB screens aren't very effective.  

 

Where do you throw the ball?  What do you do?

 

If you can run at least you can work off of play action to get some easier throws, but linebackers barely need to respect our run game.

[CPF4LIFE]

Our offense has been a problem for a while and its finally catching up with us. All the draft picks and penny pinching has been done to make sure the defense remains the focus of the team. So when they don't show up we turn into one of the worst teams in the league. I put this more on Rivera than gettleman at the moment. He has had more time to fix the issues and he refused.

[rayzor]

If you think this is an easy fix you are in for a disappointment.

Teams are crowding us short. So all these quick passes and stuff people are talking about, aren't going to do anything except throw the ball where the defenders are.

For two weeks the deep and intermediate areas are the areas that are open. But we can't attack that unless o line blocks long enough to give us time to exploit it.

Why put defenders deep if the other team can't exploit it?

What that does is, unless you catch someone blitzing (which teams are getting pressure with 3 and 4 guys) there are no quick easy passes. If you can't get the ball downfield HB screens aren't very effective.

Where do you throw the ball? What do you do?

If you can run at least you can work off of play action to get some easier throws, but linebackers barely need to respect our run game.

the best solution is to hand the reigns over to someone who isn't a proven historical failure as a playcaller.

[PandaPancake]

I love how people think that were not spending money on talent when were spending the money we have.

[KillerKat]

I wish we had an owner with balls that would make this move.

[teeray]

Regardless of the Panthers current problems, this is how you know Shula's in over his head.

 

There is a certain rhythm feel and cadence to calling games. Even if an OC said to themselves, "I want to have 30 runs and 30 passes", and they stuck to it. There maybe stretches of the game, where he passes 7 times in a row (2 short slants, one up the middle to the TE, a screen pass, a play action up the middle, etc.), then he may run 3X in a row, then go for a bomb 30 yards down on the opposite side of the field. It's a feel, situational thing. It's as much as a dance, as it is chess. Shula appears to lack both the intellectual, and instinctive feel of the job. You just know it or sense it when you see it, as you know Cam and the receivers look good out there, regardless of the lack of points put on the board.

 

And if Shula, appears to call plays based off of fan and media criticisms (and not his own mind, feel, and instinct), then his play calling and cajones aren't worth shat!

 

 

I've only really felt like that twice since he has been here.  Maybe a third time in Arizona.

 

For example against Pitt there were multiple opportunities downfield that we just couldn't exploit because they were beating us with 3 man rushes and dropping 8 or Cam had less than a second or two to pass the ball.

 

Today I agree he had a bad game though.  Wasn't all his fault, and I agree establishing the game is good, but at some point when you are down 21 points in the second half you just have to put the ball in the QBs hands and go.  Run be damned