Dave Gettleman?

[TheRed]

I'm not judging the pick on production...  moreso on need and projection...

 

He drafted Ealy as a potential replacement and/or leverage over Hardy.  I'm saying the pick was unnecessary but was made because he mishandled the Hardy contract situation.

 

It is too early to tell how he'll turnout, but the initial results are not looking promising.

 

I don't think we know for sure whether Gettleman was wanting to work out a long term deal with Hardy or not (before the charges).

 

To be fair, neither Hardy nor Johnson came in their first season looking like pro bowlers either. Also again, it's not like he is playing on the defense as it was last year either. If you didn't see the names on the jerseys, you would almost think this was a completely different group.

[*FreeFua*]

And me saying I wanted Allen Robinson over Ealy isn't me judging Ealy after 4 games either. I wanted Robinson badly this draft. I feel a combo of him and KB would have been the perfect combo. Both have size and Robinson brings YAC ability along with his size.

[TheRed]

I wish I could say that one more WR in the draft would solve our current woes, but our defense would still be getting gashed.

 

Not to mention the OL....

[TheRumGone]

well ealy graded positive this past game

[SCP]

"Sup bro?"

[thefuzz]

I didn't say I hated the Ealy pick, I inferred that it was a wasted pick because it wasn't a position of need but he made it predicated on grooming a replacement for Hardy, because as you said, he didn't want him long term.  Which brings me back to that first point...  Why tag him and have him play for the year if you know he isn't in the long term plans, EVEN THOUGH he has already proven to be an elite talent?  And you're right, it's not hard to do.  I understand the concept of cap hits and such...  But that doesn't excuse that he GAMBLED and it failed miserably.

 

The Hardy thing is not hard to figure out.  CJ is getting older, and is very expensive, but can be cut after this season, and save a ton of cap space.  Hardy keeps his nose clean, performs, and outplays CJ, he gets the long term deal, and CJ is gone.

 

Furthermore, are you in his office?  Do you know for a fact that was his plan?  To keep Hardy for a year, see how it played out and then release CJ and lock up Hardy long-term?  No you don't.  So, when looking at how he approached it without any inside-knowledge, it was stupid.  He wasted cap space and a pick and he had other options.

 

Nope, I'm not in his office, but I have studied DG, and respect how he handles his business.  This is the smartest thing to do, and it looked like DG was well on his way to doing it, and still may.

 

And it's clear people have drawn a line in the sand about Smitty and refuse to budge on it...  yet, the people defending Gettleman haven't exactly nailed down their reason justifying it...  First it was he was old and unproductive, then it was he was a bad locker room guy, then it was Smitty demanded his release so good guy getts gave it to him...  LOL.  We will have to agree to disagree.  Tell me what CJ's, D-Los, Godfrey's, or Stew's cap numbers looked like going forward and how their release would've impacted us versus Smitty's before the season.  Problem with that logic is, you are dismissing the fact that Smitty refused to take a paycut after Gettleman arrogantly insulted him in a presser before speaking with Smitty directly...  but, Gettleites refuse to acknowledge that he made such blunders.  He is an infallible man-genius that was single-handedly responsible for the Giants Superbowl winning teams and the 1987 Boston Boys Club Inner-City League pee wee championship team.

 

Smitty was not a good locker room person, he is old, his production was falling off, and he was expensive.  None of that needs to be debated.  He is a fan favorite, and the best Panther ever, but the truth hurts, and he needed to go.  P.S. our WR corps is better than last season.

 

We couldn't cut, DWill, CJ, Stew, or Godfrey this past off season without significant dead money affecting our cap, we could with Smitty, and we did.  Saved around 3 million by cutting him this season IIRC.

 

 

And by the way, I had no real issues with DG saying that every roster spot was going to be evaluated, this team ran far too long with an attitude that vets are safe here.  Glad that's gone.

 

Also while we are at it, I'm not saying that he is perfect, just that he hasn't made nearly the mistakes that many of you point out, in fact I have not seen a major one yet.

 

 

[micnificent28]

I firmly believe the flaw with how we build this team is at the core fundamentals. Since Rae every player who has had a bump or scrape is Rae. You have been arrested well we aren't buying. No second chances your a turd and we aren't buying. the gm change hasn't changed that so I believe that comes from the big cat himself.

The problems at Lt could have been fixed in the draft.. look what sentrel Henderson is doing in buffalo. Yes he has had a bad rep but was the number one player in the country coming out of high school. Drafted 7th round day one starter. Crowell was possibly the best rb in the draft brush with the law went undrafted. Destroying things in Cleveland with another rookie stud ahead of him.

[Proudiddy]

 

 

Fair enough.

 

You beat me to the punch, but I was going to say, I want to make it clear that although I hated the Smitty release and am not a fan of a lot of the moves he made this offseason, I am not saying that Gettleman is the lone, sole reason that we are sucking right now or have issues.  I certainly think he contributed to it because several gambles backfired and yesterday was a prime example and really embarrassing.  BUT, we aren't privy to a lot that goes on behind closed doors and I acknowledge that.  But, it irks me to see some sticking up for him to no end as though every move he has made was complete gold and infallible, when in fact, thus far it has proven not to be.  He's done some good as well...  Ultimately, I feel he's not as great as some are convinced he has been, and he's not as bad as others have portrayed him to be, and really, we won't know either way until 3-5 years into his tenure.

 

I just hope we can turn this ship around this week and get things right.

 

[PantherFanOne]

It's almost as funny as watching a bunch of spoiled kids crying while taking a good ole fashion butt whoopin from grampa

 

 

So true. LOL

[thefuzz]

Fair enough.

 

You beat me to the punch, but I was going to say, I want to make it clear that although I hated the Smitty release and am not a fan of a lot of the moves he made this offseason, I am not saying that Gettleman is the lone, sole reason that we are sucking right now or have issues.  I certainly think he contributed to it because several gambles backfired and yesterday was a prime example and really embarrassing.  BUT, we aren't privy to a lot that goes on behind closed doors and I acknowledge that.  But, it irks me to see some sticking up for him to no end as though every move he has made was complete gold and infallible, when in fact, thus far it has proven not to be.  He's done some good as well...  Ultimately, I feel he's not as great as some are convinced he has been, and he's not as bad as others have portrayed him to be, and really, we won't know either way until 3-5 years into his tenure.

 

I just hope we can turn this ship around this week and get things right.

 

 

 

DG claimed that with the poo storm that he was taking over, it would be a painful couple of seasons.  Last season was an anomaly, and this year we may be creeping back to the mean.  I still think that we are another year or two away from becoming a consistent team.

 

We will have to extend Cam, get these awful contracts off the books, continue to draft well, and still have some injury luck, before we can be ready for prime time.  Oh, and get a new energetic offensive coordinator.

[TheRed]

Fair enough.

 

You beat me to the punch, but I was going to say, I want to make it clear that although I hated the Smitty release and am not a fan of a lot of the moves he made this offseason, I am not saying that Gettleman is the lone, sole reason that we are sucking right now or have issues.  I certainly think he contributed to it because several gambles backfired and yesterday was a prime example and really embarrassing.  BUT, we aren't privy to a lot that goes on behind closed doors and I acknowledge that.  But, it irks me to see some sticking up for him to no end as though every move he has made was complete gold and infallible, when in fact, thus far it has proven not to be.  He's done some good as well...  Ultimately, I feel he's not as great as some are convinced he has been, and he's not as bad as others have portrayed him to be, and really, we won't know either way until 3-5 years into his tenure.

 

I just hope we can turn this ship around this week and get things right.

 

 

Yeah, the truth ultimately is somewhere in the middle.

 

Honestly the "stop trying to blame Gettleman!" crowd have become just as delusional as the "Gettleman sucks!" crowd at this point.

[PantherFanOne]

DG claimed that with the poo storm that he was taking over, it would be a painful couple of seasons.  Last season was an anomaly, and this year we may be creeping back to the mean.  I still think that we are another year or two away from becoming a consistent team.

 

We will have to extend Cam, get these awful contracts off the books, continue to draft well, and still have some injury luck, before we can be ready for prime time.  Oh, and get a new energetic offensive coordinator.

 

 

Bingo!!! This post of yours and the one above responding to proudiddy, sums up the current Panthers and Gettleman situation exactly.

Anyone that would disagree with your well though out posts on this subject apparently haven't been following what  Gettleman and the Panthers stated their  long term plans were ,or else they are the type that want to have someone or something  to blame.

[Shockatelly1]

Blame Hardy...

Or you could blame this shitballed OL.

Or maybe the patchwork secondary?

Or maybe the "revamped" WR corps full of guys who couldn't beat a sloth in a race walking?

Or maybe the overall turnover from last season and how we allowed so many key players to walk?

Oh thats right, we're cap strapped... so much so that we unnecessarily released Smitty and took a cap hit because he is old and sucks.

#GETTLEMAGIC

 

What he said.

[frash.exe]

1.) The Hardy situation I was discussing had NOTHING to do with his legal matters. LOL. I believe I even provided that disclaimer in some way in my initial post to you. Regardless of whether Hardy got into the trouble he did, why was he still entering the season on a 13 mil franchise tag? That was the least feasible outcome outside of letting him walk for nothing. Either lock him up long-term or trade him away so you can make other moves for the best value... Yeah, I already know the retort to that is, "So message board gurus can complain the value wasn't good enough?" Lol... No, because getting his cap number lower than 13 mil was the best plausible option so that we could address other areas of need. Furthermore, you either trade him or lock him up so you are certain about what you need to do at that position prior to the draft or the season itself, in case you need to draft or sign a player there.

13 million isn't unheard of money for paying a top DE. I don't think you remember this but when CJ was re-signed, his first year salary was about 10 on a backloaded contract worth about 12 and change a year. You probably don't remember this either but last year we did offer Hardy an extension and he turned it down because it wasn't enough. So we put the tag on him, which most teams use to extend the opportunity of long term contracts. Sometimes negotiations work out and sometimes they fall through. Gettleman was quoted as saying that's exactly what they were trying to do at a fair price, but that won't matter to you so I don't know what else to tell you. Then the DV incident occurred. So you acknowledge that it isn't necessarily his fault that he didn't see it coming but you still want to call him inept because that 13 million isn't on the field right now. That proves nothing but your bias against the guy. I like you and I've agreed with you countless times but right now you're just pissed at Gettleman because the team isn't winning no matter what the reason is.

Instead, he locked him up with the tag, handicapped us from signing even ONE of the guys we let go in FA, or offensive line help, and then drafted a DE anyway.

And you want to frame this as the worst possible decision? Gettleman doesn't have much of a choice whether or not to handicap the cap, because it already has been going back to at least 2011.

And no one here is calling Belichick or Newsome an idiot because they have built perennial contenders...

So they can make the same exact judgments and if the result ends up being different then they're smarter? Again, Gettleman's resume speaks for itself, I don't need to sell him to anybody who isn't judging him in a 7 month vacuum of misfortune and bad breaks. Hurney was inept because he willingly made dumb decisions in the face of logic that was different from what guys like Belichick were doing. Gettleman's not because he's not working with a clean slate, rather it's very dirty and inflexible, and just like we had some good fortune last season we're having bad fortune this year

2.) Do you really think that was literal? LOL. I'm sure Gettleman was having a hearty, gut-busting evil laugh in his office while rubbing lotion on his heavily-chaffed nipples when he signed Harper. Obviously, the two moves were mutually exclusive, but that doesn't mean fans don't acknowledge we got the shitty end of the deal when looking at both moves together. You're also deflecting from the real issue at hand... Why would you sign Harper to be anything but a backup/role player? He was notoriously bad with New Orleans and advanced stats show he was among the worst safeties in the entire league... Like REALLY bad... Hey, that parlays into your idea that we as fans think he's personally insulting us and therefore we perceive him to be arrogant...

You can ignore this but there's been a contingency of people on here that have hated Harper since day one when he was signed simply because of that incident a few years ago. Of course after a game like this their voices are amplified. So you bring that up and then when I address you point by point you want to go "lol you took it allll too literally! gotcha!" Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?

As far as his prior performance goes, yes he has been far from a good safety but guess what, Mike Mitchell and Quintin Mikell weren't exactly red hot either. And there have been plenty of great free agent prospects that amounted to a huge waste of money on their new team. It happens so often in free agency I don't even need to bring up examples to cite it. Some downtrodden free agents go to teams and prove themselves or re-prove themselves. Given our cash situation, it was the best we could do

Skip to 5.) LOL, no he is arrogant because he is arrogant. See his comments about "the answer is already on the roster." See him signing scrub Canadians when there are veterans and UDFAs that are better than them and available at near the same cost. Him constantly believing that he can develop the least skilled football players at a fraction of the cost of ones who are already at the baseline is ARROGANT. Him dropping Smitty claiming it was a production to declining skill ratio-based move while leaving several other salary albatrosses on the roster with even less production is ARROGANT. Having a starting safety unit consisting of Roman "Pedestrian, Stiff-Arm Eating" Harper and Thomas Decoud is ARROGANT. Not giving your franchise QB an extension (after offering backhanded commentary on him the year before with all of that "candid diplomacy" you referred to that resulted in Smitty getting the boot as well) and then lining him up behind the shittiest OL in pro football, Arena and the SEC likely included, IS fuging ARROGANT.

I don't even have to dignify this in front of everybody. I think it's painfully evident you're just pissed at Gettleman because the team isn't winning and you need an enemy with a face to lambast.

3.) He didn't sign for $25 mil per year. Remember Hardy's 13 mil? There you have it. And people can laugh all they want at him in Pittsburgh, they still kicked out ass at home, and it doesn't negate the fact that he was a perfect fit here regardless of what he does elsewhere.

No he didn't sign for 25 million a year, and I never said that, so maybe you're not taking what I'm saying literally enough. But we don't have that kind of money to pay someone long term and take the risk if he's not as good as he looks behind the kind of front 7 we had on the field. Cam's contract is going to have to be extended in the near future and we're not going to be able to pay him at a discount price for a franchise QB. Hardy's extension negotiation also had a hand in that, and even Luke down the road.

Also, remember the nail in the coffin of Philly Brown muffing that punt against Pitt? I'm pretty sure a portion of that 13 mil could've went towards retaining Ginn as well...

hey remember that time that guy didn't make that play and the guy he replaced did the year before? FIRE GETTLEMAN

4.) You're right... No one is expecting him to hit on every pick, but the gamble comes in where he drafts some scrub ass offensive linemen from bumfug technical state university and then banks on him to develop, meanwhile, he never sees a snap because he sucks and is injury prone. Ignoring the position because you are trying to convince everyone that Kugbila is going to be the next Larry Allen while stating your mantra of "the answer is already on the roster" is ARROGANT.

Nobody is expecting him to hit on every pick, meanwhile what the fug is up with you not picking Allen Robinson over Kony Ealy, Dave?

You want to know why I'm ignoring any perceived validity you have on your points? Oblivious contradictions like that, that's why. You're way off base on a lot and you keep trying to cover it up. Sorry and don't take it personally, but your whole tornado of criticism and questioning sounds like sour grapes because Gettleman didn't hand deliver you a Super Bowl team spearheaded by Steve Smith Sr. and his 1700 yard season.