Should we sit Cam?

[Francis J. Underwood]

It's not that difficult to see the differences between the two situations that you are poorly attempting to compare.

 

Griffin has torn his ACL in both college, and the NFL. He is a different player, with different circumstances.

I am not comparing the injuries themselves, I was comparing the outcomes post-surgery. Cam Newton has regressed from last year due to a multitude of factors that we all know very well, not saying he can not get back to that state but for the meantime this is the case. Cam is not what he was last year, and it shows on the field, that is what I meant be the comparison

 

DA got sacked once by TB, because he does not have the faith in his athletic ability to be able to hold on to the ball. He made a very poor offensive line look good for one game. Once Cam returned to the field, "Oh, they look like crap again!".

 

At what point do people come to make the decision to sit him down, well, everyone will have their own evaluation and opinions on the situation. I am of the opinion that Cam is better the DA when around 90% healthy, my opinion is that Cam is maybe 70% and for me it breaks my heart to take him off the field but I would do it.

 

There is a difference between being bruised and hurt. After every NFL game every player is bruised if they played in the game, they try and recover in the few days that they have before the next one. Cam is injured, and he has the look of a player that is injured. This is completely determined by how he looks on the field of play from this year compared to last. You got to admit he isn't the same.

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This poll is getting poo done.

[Francis J. Underwood]

Cam has a 100 passer rating SITTING in the pocket this yr.... who even said his ankle was bothering him that much? MEDIA? and yal dumasses is falling for it thinking DA more moble now lol ok........Have you ever seen Lebron get up limping then fastbreak slam dunk next play? its just dramatics relaxxx...

Yeah .... Well getting sacked on third and 7 does not get factored into the passer rating, or throwing it for a 5 yard gain at the same down and distance, as a matter of fact. If you get a 3 and out, it does not affect your passer rating as long as you get one successful drive

 

To get a high passer rating all you need is to throw for 150 yards 1 tds and no picks with an above 60 percent completion percentage and magically you have an over 100 rating. If you don't believe me, go google the qb passer rating calculator and fiddle around with it. Stats do not mean poo. If you need stats to tell you who is good and who is trash, then sir, you don't know football.

[TheRumGone]

I am not comparing the injuries themselves, I was comparing the outcomes post-surgery. Cam Newton has regressed from last year due to a multitude of factors that we all know very well, not saying he can not get back to that state but for the meantime this is the case. Cam is not what he was last year, and it shows on the field, that is what I meant be the comparison

DA got sacked once by TB, because he does not have the faith in his athletic ability to be able to hold on to the ball. He made a very poor offensive line look good for one game. Once Cam returned to the field, "Oh, they look like crap again!".

At what point do people come to make the decision to sit him down, well, everyone will have their own evaluation and opinions on the situation. I am of the opinion that Cam is better the DA when around 90% healthy, my opinion is that Cam is maybe 70% and for me it breaks my heart to take him off the field but I would do it.

There is a difference between being bruised and hurt. After every NFL game every player is bruised if they played in the game, they try and recover in the few days that they have before the next one. Cam is injured, and he has the look of a player that is injured. This is completely determined by how he looks on the field of play from this year compared to last. You got to admit he isn't the same.

Cam is throwing the ball better than he ever has in his entire career 100+ passer rating.

This O is built for cam to save them with his legs because the oline is so bad. Cam still gives us a better chance with his arm than DA. And he can still run to get first downs.

I doubt we see 70 yard runs from cam this year but there is no question newton has not regressed. That's ridiculous. Oh and Tampa is straight garbage

[Sloth]

Yeah .... Well getting sacked on third and 7 does not get factored into the passer rating, or throwing it for a 5 yard gain at the same down and distance, as a matter of fact. If you get a 3 and out, it does not affect your passer rating as long as you get one successful drive

 

To get a high passer rating all you need is to throw for 150 yards 1 tds and no picks with an above 60 percent completion percentage and magically you have an over 100 rating. If you don't believe me, go google the qb passer rating calculator and fiddle around with it. Stats do not mean poo. If you need stats to tell you who is good and who is trash, then sir, you don't know football.

 

Anderson being bailed out by a Tampa secondary that can't catch doesn't really show up in the stat line either. Nor does Anderson looking pretty pedestrian by the 4th quarter after a hot start against what appears at this point to be the worst team in the league.

 

What does show up is the fact that Anderson had a much better running game to lean on. We ran for 113 on Tampa. 67 on the Lions. 42 on the Steelers.

 

Even if we do take the "lol QBR/stats lie" approach and just go by the eyeball test, the absolute worst you could say is that Newton looked equal to Anderson playing against far better teams and with less help.

 

Anyways, fun topic to discuss, but we all know who is going to be starting.

[Rise of The Hive]

I think so, DA is not terrible and let Cam heal up it is clear he is still not healthy.

[Pox 08]

[DangerClose]

Or call quicker pass plays...

 

I mean, DA came out and started firing the ball off quickly at the end of the last game. Cam holds on to the ball looking for something to happen down field. Either they're different plays or DA is quicker in his reads...or more decisive. Either way, 5 and 7 step dropbacks aren't going to cut it with the poo that exists on O line.

[CRA]

That's not entirely true. You can't discredit Cam's running ability. Yes, Cam is a pocket passer, but part of the reason he has been able to be a successful passer is because of his legs. They are what keep defenses honest. It's Cam's elusiveness while running that has, in part made him successful, because until this season, defenses have had to respect his ability to escape the pocket and turn a busted play into a 25 yard scramble. They've had to hold people back and seal off the edges due to his escapability. With no threat of a designed QB run, or an improvisational scramble, D-Coordinators can just send a house blitz, and it's either going to turn into a sack or an incomplete pass.

Cam isn't running now

And his play as a pocket passer looks stronger than any other start of a season. The passing game isn't a problem. Pass protection could be better but Cam passing is the only thing we are actually doing well

[CRA]

Or call quicker pass plays...

I mean, DA came out and started firing the ball off quickly at the end of the last game. Cam holds on to the ball looking for something to happen down field. Either they're different plays or DA is quicker in his reads...or more decisive. Either way, 5 and 7 step dropbacks aren't going to cut it with the poo that exists on O line.

Different scenarios. Steelers had backups in and the foot off the pedal. They are going to allow some throws to be much easier.

[DangerClose]

Different scenarios. Steelers had backups in and the foot off the pedal. They are going to allow some throws to be much easier.

 

Fair point. 

[teeray]

I hate the people on this board that act as if "your not a real panther fan if you don't want Cam to start on Sunday".

What I have to say to you is "fug you!"

The Cam that is appearing on Sunday is a shell of his former self, due to the organization down playing the surgery that he had in the offseason as if it were routine. It seems now that they were just covering their collective asses because the surgery was not done sooner. Cam's natural reactions on the football field have not changed since he first started. He holds onto the ball in the pocket to allow plays and routes to develop to where he is comfortable throwing the ball. If any pressure comes near him, he would muscle out of it and run, making people look silly trying to tackle him.

This instincts have not changed, but now he has a bum ankle. He can't be the man he once was. But changing his techniques now for a temporary period of recovery would be foolish. The man is a competitor, he will never tell you he can't do this, he has too much pride in was he does and what he has achieved in life. Coach Rivera needs to grow a pair, and sit him down for the betterment of this teams future. Derek Anderson is not the future, but he can help us in the interim, due to his veteran understanding. He was in Cleveland, he knows how the 3-4 defense works cause he played against it so often.

My main rant here is that people on this board want to act like there is no argument to be made that DA should start. It is their own blind ignorance that makes them so intolerable to read. I recognize what Cam gives us at QB, a consistent big play threat with his arm even though he cant move around as well now. But is that worth him losing confidence and getting injured, after doing so well last season. Ron you have to be the bad guy and sit him down now, if you know what is good for you.

/End Rant

You are not a Panther fan if you don't want the franchise QB who is not even on the injury report to not start.

He still gives us the best chance to win. The doctors will assess the risk and tell the coaches whether he should play or not.

[Millioso7]

Yeah .... Well getting sacked on third and 7 does not get factored into the passer rating, or throwing it for a 5 yard gain at the same down and distance, as a matter of fact. If you get a 3 and out, it does not affect your passer rating as long as you get one successful drive

 

To get a high passer rating all you need is to throw for 150 yards 1 tds and no picks with an above 60 percent completion percentage and magically you have an over 100 rating. If you don't believe me, go google the qb passer rating calculator and fiddle around with it. Stats do not mean poo. If you need stats to tell you who is good and who is trash, then sir, you don't know football.

im confused.... So are you saying Cams rating is overrated? or DA is the better option?lol...... cause im sure if his rating was like 60 somethin it would be held against him..,...definitley dont need statistics to tell you Cam is the best option....

[Millioso7]

pretty sure if philly holds on to that punt we stop them on d and we scored again so on and so forth this thread doesnt exist....but there so many COWARDS calling them selves fans who are already pannicking jumping ship for a non divisional loss....