Mike Shula "We cant expect to win many games running the ball 10 times"

[catnip]

The problem is exactly what we thought it was. Our O-line is Swiss cheese. You can't run the ball unless theres a hole.  Our Rbs can't play a full season without sitting out games due to an injury. If we had a better line, a third string RB could look like Walter Payton. We will not win many games with the o-line we have and getting Cam beaten up like he was last Sunday.  Time to re-boot.

[Marguide]

Shula is not elite / great because he has never produced a great offense in his career.

I aint said nothing about never experiencing any rough patches. Shula's entire career has been rough patches.

Hue Jackson was who we should have hired as OC instead of promoting a guy with nothing on his resume to hang a hat on.

Look, I'm not some Shula fanboy, and I wanted Jackson at the time too.

That said, you have to give him and the rest of the coaches credit for the turnaround last year. We are also off to a decent start this year. I'm more interested in results than style points, so I give him the benefit of the doubt as long as the team is having success.

[raleigh-panther]

It goes hand in hand. Nothing is pure black and white.

Before the run call Newton was hit hard. He was visibly hurt walking to huddle and the sideline. He got hit on a short pass play after many successful passes. Eventually a defense won't play the run and will dial in on the pass if you never give them the run. Why Peyton calls unsuccessful runs often.

Bashing Shula for calling one run is just silly on that drive. He had to call it for a couple reasons.

Yes Cam's running makes him great. Makes our offense very efficient as well. Point remains DA doesn't do that stuff anyway so inserting him doesn't add something we are missing

We can agree to disagree.

 

The deflation felt in that stadium when 3 points not a TD were scored was platable and measureable.

 

Let me rephrase, the deflation  was apparent,  platable and measureable to all but the OC who seemed to be quite content to go for the field goal and I stand by if Newton was that hurt take him out, run the play that should be run, score the TD and then resume whatever brilliant game plan Shula had called. 

 

i also stand by, and this is not a criticism against Newton, it is an observation that  if his ankle is so bad that he can't roll left or roll left, or step up in the pocked to help that Oline and/or protect himself, and/or extend the play, then he needs to sit until he can.  He isn't doing himself, and neither is the coaching staff,  and the rest of the team any favors by being heroic or a 'competitor'.    I am not annoiting Derek Anderson.  I am simply saying that if Newton's ankle isn't were it should be, sit him down until it at least approaches 90%...and he sits until he demonstrates he can move in some direction in the pocket besides backward.

 

My feeling is the OC does what his team is capable of doing, not what he wants them to do from a philosophy standpoint.

 

If the Oline sudden shows it can run block without holding and actually open a hole for a gain,  great but until then, find something it can do and stick with it, as basic as needs to be; but, go fowards, not backwards.   Don't care if its off tackle left, or off tackle right, the basic of the basic, just run it properly.

 

Rivera is not stupid.  He sees these things and hopefully he will do what all leaders do which is to talk to his assistants and have the adjustments that need to be made.

[MedellinHeel]

Has Shula ever had good offensive talent? Carolina is the best offensive roster he has ever had.

Lots of coaches look like poo with poo talent. Good ones

 

That is what separates average coaches and great ones. 

 

Elite coaches can adjust and scheme around talent (to some degree). 

 

Regardless, that is beside the point. The point is Shula has nothing on his resume to warrant getting a OC position. 

 

Would be too risky to hire him without proven past success. 

[Silent Majority]

Shula can't/won't adjust, period. 

 

If the gameplan we come in with works, we win. If not, we lose...unless Cam has an incredible scramble or scramble and throw, that extends the drive.

 

*also*  24/37 with drops and a 98.7 QBR, is hurting the team? Broken ribs and surgically repaired ankle, be damned, right?  Cam's not running the ball and being "Cam". He runs and is labeled a running QB. He gets better every fuging year and is CURRENTLY killing teams from the pocket, but he isn't "Cam', so let's sit him. How about let's hire an OC, who can adjust in real-time and who doesn't call counter-productive plays.

 

 

[firefox1234]

Running the ball up the middle for 0-2 yard gains on early downs and constantly putting yourself in 3rd and long isn't going to win many games either.

THIS x1000000!!!!!!

[CRA]

We can agree to disagree.

The deflation felt in that stadium when 3 points not a TD were scored was platable and measureable.

Let me rephrase, the deflation was apparent, platable and measureable to all but the OC who seemed to be quite content to go for the field goal and I stand by if Newton was that hurt take him out, run the play that should be run, score the TD and then resume whatever brilliant game plan Shula had called.

i also stand by, and this is not a criticism against Newton, it is an observation that if his ankle is so bad that he can't roll left or roll left, or step up in the pocked to help that Oline and/or protect himself, and/or extend the play, then he needs to sit until he can. He isn't doing himself, and neither is the coaching staff, and the rest of the team any favors by being heroic or a 'competitor'. I am not annoiting Derek Anderson. I am simply saying that if Newton's ankle isn't were it should be, sit him down until it at least approaches 90%...and he sits until he demonstrates he can move in some direction in the pocket besides backward.

My feeling is the OC does what his team is capable of doing, not what he wants them to do from a philosophy standpoint.

If the Oline sudden shows it can run block without holding and actually open a hole for a gain, great but until then, find something it can do and stick with it, as basic as needs to be; but, go fowards, not backwards. Don't care if its off tackle left, or off tackle right, the basic of the basic, just run it properly.

Rivera is not stupid. He sees these things and hopefully he will do what all leaders do which is to talk to his assistants and have the adjustments that need to be made.

Again, the outrage over 1 run being called makes no sense. It keeps a D honest. Literally every other play call was a pass.

Peyton Manning calls that unsuccessful run call too. He is a good OC.

I mean if Shula called 10 straight pass and 0 runs he would have been bashed too if it resulted in a FG. Shula pretty much can't win. When we have success none is given too him and everything bad is thrown at his feet

[Jangler]

you mean to say the Panthers are probably evolving away from the running game and catching up with the rest of the NFL? Thanks Hurney for keeping us in the stone age for an 2 extra years

 

That said...I would love to have Le'Veon Bell.

[raleigh-panther]

Again, the outrage over 1 run being called makes no sense. It keeps a D honest. Literally every other play call was a pass.

Peyton Manning calls that unsuccessful run call too. He is a good OC.

I mean if Shula called 10 straight pass and 0 runs he would have been bashed too if it resulted in a FG. Shula pretty much can't win. When we have success none is given too him and everything bad is thrown at his feet

 

I reserve the word 'outrage' for beheading of Americans by ISIS, not for a football game.

 

The Panthers beat a very bad Tampa team.  The Lions beat themselves and the Panthers  were fortunate enough to get turnovers for it. 

 

They played what was suppose to be a banged up, not good Steelers team and got their ass beat on National TV again.

 

The Steelers had more rest, prepared better, and even from the stands, a person could see that the Steelers backs were hesitating in the backfield to cause over pursuit by the Panthers Defense.   Why that was not fixed is a quesiton for Rivera and the DC.  The special teams made mistakes.

 

It was a team loss, no doubt about it.

 

My point is simply, from an offensive point of view,  the common sense things that should be done with a bad offensive line and a banged up QB are not being done.   

 

There was no outlet,  no hot read apparent for Newton and if there was, and he didn't look for it, its a whole other problem.  

 

He is a sitting duck back there and if you don't see that, I can't improve your vision to see it, and the longer he holds the ball, the bigger the target becomes.   The more the run game goes backward and loses yardage, the target becomes bigger.

 

Unless there is some miracle with that offensive lines' abilities and/or a better game plan to handle what every opposing team's  DC knows about the Panthers OLine and Newton , the question of whether Newton should be rested is going to be moot. 

 

The Ravens will be aiming for those ribs and that ankle, as will the Bengals, as will the Bears, as will the rest of the teams playing.

 

I don't want Newton hurt and my true point is that with that TD missed opportunity, that changed the entire dynamic.  Vast difference in an opening drive TD before the Steelers D adjusts to  the offense  vs. a field goal. 

 

The Panthers are not good enough offensively to go for field goals and hold on now. 

 

Every TD  opportunity missed is large, both for the offense and for the defense who is on the field entirely too long over the course of the past 3 games.  That can't continue, not if the Panthers want to be in contention come December.

 

 

[firefox1234]

Get the ball to our playmakers from the get go! Olsen and KB are useless scoring garbage TDs late in games after a result is pretty much assured.

[Paintballr]

I remember a few years ago we had a OC (I think Jeff Davidson? Could be wrong) that liked being on the field and making calls so he could get a feel from the players and the game compared to being in a booth, Shula is in the booth making play calls, anyone thing he just doesn't have a feel of whats going on being up there?

[firefox1234]

I remember a few years ago we had a OC (I think Jeff Davidson? Could be wrong) that liked being on the field and making calls so he could get a feel from the players and the game compared to being in a booth, Shula is in the booth making play calls, anyone thing he just doesn't have a feel of whats going on being up there?

Coaches have been making play calls from the booth for decades, i wouldnt think too much of it but i wouldnt rule it out.

[Paintballr]

Coaches have been making play calls from the booth for decades, i wouldnt think too much of it but i wouldnt rule it out.

True but I have read some coaches prefer one from the other. Shula use to be on the field with cam when he was a QB coach, now not so much. He use to interact directly with cam and see the emotion of the game. Not making excuses but maybe he should change it up. Man up and be there with players

[drkmay]

Tell him to call some sweeps/off tackle run plays then.. I mean he is the OC...