Kelvin Benjamin: Panthers Playmaker

[The Huddler]

deep down, steve wants us to winn...

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[CPantherKing]

I see your love of Cam but do you have any proof to support?

You can't just say it. Eli and Ben won a lot games including SB when they are under the center. I'm not saying its Cams fault but hey he's not that good yet, at least not now.

 

If you look at trajectory, then Cam is far ahead of Ben and Eli at the 3 year mark from a production standpoint at their position. Cam has more passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, rushing TDs, first downs, and fewer INTs.

 

When you speak of the top QBs after their third season in the NFL, Eli and Ben are out of the conversation. The top 3 are Dan Marino, Cam Newton and Peyton Manning. Of Marino, the Mannings, Ben and Cam, Cam has thrown the fewest INTs of the bunch. And Cam is on pace in his 4th season to remain with Marino and Peyton.

 

The Panthers are going to need to rely more on the passing game in 2014 as Cam heals. The Panthers ran for 7 rushing first downs per game the past 3 seasons. Cam was responsible for 3 of the 7 per game. He currently has 1 in 2 games in 2014. If that holds true, he will have 8 rushing first downs on the season compared to his average of 49 per season for the past 3 years.

 

If the Panthers cannot find that RB to replace the first downs Cam gave the Panthers in previous seasons, then they need to lean heavily on Benjamin and Olsen to replace those first downs with the passing game. Benjamin should be the #1 target on 1st down, then Olsen, and then a check down receiver when there is 4 or more yards to gain for the first down.

[B.BERSIN]

If you look at trajectory, then Cam is far ahead of Ben and Eli at the 3 year mark from a production standpoint at their position. Cam has more passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, rushing TDs, first downs, and fewer INTs.

 

When you speak of the top QBs after their third season in the NFL, Eli and Ben are out of the conversation. The top 3 are Dan Marino, Cam Newton and Peyton Manning. Of Marino, the Mannings, Ben and Cam, Cam has thrown the fewest INTs of the bunch. And Cam is on pace in his 4th season to remain with Marino and Peyton.

 

The Panthers are going to need to rely more on the passing game in 2014 as Cam heals. The Panthers ran for 7 rushing first downs per game the past 3 seasons. Cam was responsible for 3 of the 7 per game. He currently has 1 in 2 games in 2014. If that holds true, he will have 8 rushing first downs on the season compared to his average of 49 per season for the past 3 years.

 

If the Panthers cannot find that RB to replace the first downs Cam gave the Panthers in previous seasons, then they need to lean heavily on Benjamin and Olsen to replace those first downs with the passing game. Benjamin should be the #1 target on 1st down, then Olsen, and then a check down receiver when there is 4 or more yards to gain for the first down.

 

I'm sorry that I didn't see in your previous post that you said "Cam is better than Eli & Ben combined at 3 year mark". 

 

I don't want to turn this into a "Cam is better than who" debating thread but I have to say comparing Cam with Mario or someone else was really not too reasonable. They were in different eras and had different football philosophies.  

 

My point is simple in the end, Cam is good but now is too early to say he's better than Eli and Ben combined, which I hope could come true in the near future.

[yasuhara2241]

Here's the catch though, he's not dynamic in YAC and he's dropping balls. His drop percentage so far is already around 10% if what I read a minute ago is true. Kind of wish we had someone dynamic beside him, and not just possession receivers. Maybe Hill pans out.

 

I honestly hate it when people bring up drop percentage after such a small sample size. First of all he had drops in 1 game. The other two he had no drops. Also drops don't count the crazy catches he makes that others wouldn't . I can usually count 1-2 catches of those per game. Now as far as the dynamic YAC, this is another stat that drives me crazy. He averages almost 16 yards per catch. He is tied for 5th in the NFL for catches over 20+ yards. That sounds pretty dynamic to me. Once again I understand your point about YAC he only averages about 2 yards of YAC, but he's routes are slants, deep ins and hitches into traffic. The only routes he could get YAC in are the deep streaks but those have been for TDs!

[Shula]

I honestly hate it when people bring up drop percentage after such a small sample size. First of all he had drops in 1 game. The other two he had no drops. Also drops don't count the crazy catches he makes that others wouldn't . I can usually count 1-2 catches of those per game. Now as far as the dynamic YAC, this is another stat that drives me crazy. He averages almost 16 yards per catch. He is tied for 5th in the NFL for catches over 20+ yards. That sounds pretty dynamic to me. Once again I understand your point about YAC he only averages about 2 yards of YAC, but he's routes are slants, deep ins and hitches into traffic. The only routes he could get YAC in are the deep streaks but those have been for TDs!

 

He's dropped balls in at least two games now, including a very well thrown TD pass by Cam last week.

 

He doesn't have a good drop percentage or YAC, suck it up.

[AKPantherFan]

KB is the real deal. We gotta get him a legit #2 preferably a speedy/shifty WR who can create separation.

Imagine a Percy Harvin type WR next to Benjamin...

How many years did we all sit here and say we need a #2 for Steve smith. That turned out well.

[FootballMaestro]

that little pitch from cam to KB in the 2nd half was one of the nicest touches i've seen cam put on the ball

 

What gets lost in the loss; Cam actually threw the ball very well that in the Pittsburgh (all type of passes), and was very composed in the pocket, despite the furious pass rush, lack of blocking.

 

It's too bad, most won't remember (especially in the national audience) because of the bad loss.

[FootballMaestro]

Our offense right now lacks spark and I like to think Shula realizes that. Cam at the moment cant be the one making all the plays with his feet since his injuries seem to be catching up to him. KB needs to be more involved from the start and force defenses to honour him which will inturn open up space for other players.

Just imagine a stacked offense where defenses have to keep a safety to watch KB, a linebacker or corner watching Olsen and at the same time they have to worry about Cam and the other WRs. We could even see a revival of our running game in the process. Call me an idiot but in my opinion this is a top 5 offense just ready to ignite!

The steelers loss may hurt but in my opinion it showed that this offense has huge amounts of untapped potential but for some reason Shula or whoever isnt using it. I hope things start clicking soon or else this season will be a long one. How long do you think our defense can hold while our snail paced offense takes its time against better teams like Seattle, Chicago, and Green Bay comin up.

 

It's up to Shula to call the right plays.

 

I actually thought Cam was throwing the ball very well, and the receivers looked good. However, Shula didn't know how to mix up the plays and keep the defense off balance with the shitty run game.

 

Cam's injury, has now exposed the Panthers crappy run game, and how it's been predicated on Cam's run ability, and/or the ability for the team to throw the ball down field.

 

The Panthers running backs (whether it's due to injury, old age, OL blocking, etc..) are just not good when they have to produce the yardage by themselves. The better players on the Panthers, are actually in their receiving corp now.

 

[FootballMaestro]

Cam did. KB had 8 catches. Cam threw a perfect floater to the endzone that KB should've caught but he miss timed his jump.

 

KB, also had one swatted away in the game, he could have caught as well (if he would have shifted his body forward).

 

Indeed though, KB mis-timed his jump on the floater Cam threw. Should have been caught.

[FootballMaestro]

Dude, If I see KB one one-on-one ... I'm throwing it up 9 times out of 10. We don't even realize that we have a beast on our hands

 

I think Cam also has to get used to the fact, that he has a receiver he can do this with now.

 

Remember, last year, it would have been an INT (because his receivers could never fight for the catch, or swat it away if they couldn't).

[FootballMaestro]

He's dropped balls in at least two games now, including a very well thrown TD pass by Cam last week.

 

He doesn't have a good drop percentage or YAC, suck it up.

 

Yeah, but it's still early, it's a small sample size, and he's a rookie (mind you his spectacular catches and TD's).

 

Slow down now.

 

[csx]

Cam is completing nearly 70% of his passes while playing with broken ribs behind the worst OL in the league.

Cam haters need to go shoot themselves.

Anderson is throwing more tds and completing over 72%. If you cant look at the facts of the stats without resorting to these kinds of remarks you need to go somewhere else. 66 isnt nearly 70 btw.

[BuzzCity24]

KB is only going to get better and better

[yasuhara2241]

He's dropped balls in at least two games now, including a very well thrown TD pass by Cam last week.

He doesn't have a good drop percentage or YAC, suck it up.

So you are saying that jump ball was a drop? You need to suck it up and stop thinking that a rookie is gonna come in this league and make every single play. That was nowhere near a drop. I also did say his YAC wasn't good but actually gave reasons with routes that he is making. You spout off drop percentage when I say making catches that others couldn't make. So basically everything I said you ignored and kept to your originally flawed argument of a small sample size.

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