How long is the Huddle gonna defend Shula?

[Peppers90 NC]

Welp, since adapting seems to be out of the window....may as well just forfeit the season.

yea i guess at least 6 blockers would have made more sense.  then the 4 receiving options against the 8 in coverage would have meant everyone is either doubled or doubling.

[Peppers90 NC]

Stats can be manipulated to one's liking. Can you ignore the fact that Shula offense last year was:

 

5th - % of drives that led to 1st down or TD 

 

11th - Offensive Yards Per Drive - 

 

10th - Offensive Points per drive - 

 

Looks consistently good. 

well we could have been getting blown out in a few games like we were in 2011-12 and rack up some garbage time stats to appease the huddlers, but winning sounds slightly better.

[MedellinHeel]

It is much more enlightening to look at per drive statistics than overall yardage and scoring.

Just because an offense might run up yardage and points because they playing fast paced and running up snaps and possessions, doesn't mean they are running a better more efficient offense.

I don't really have an opinion on pace one way or the other. I enjoy both Stanford's offense and Oregon's. Both are effective and both teams are hard to beat when run efficiently.

So when I look at our per possession stats on offense they look pretty darn good. We can improve, but our offense was good last season.

It is al about efficiency. And we have been efficient and mostly avoided turnovers and the result has been a 14-5 record and a statistically improved defense. Yes Luke and Star have a lot, probably even more, to do with improving the defense, but our offense under Shula deserves some of the credit of our impressive improvement on defense as well

 

Not really, 

 

The quickyeryou move and more explosive you are the more points you can score. ie The more chances you have at STRETCHING / BUILDING a lead. This is especially true when you have a great D that is gonna get you good field position and 3 / 6 and outs. 

 

If a team takes for ever to score they are gonna keep the game close for the other team and give the other team a chance late. Which is what we saw alot last year and in the TB game. 

[MedellinHeel]

well we could have been getting blown out in a few games like we were in 2011-12 and rack up some garbage time stats to appease the huddlers, but winning sounds slightly better.

 

Or we could hire an elite OC....

 

Just a thought 

 

And not sure how many times ppl have to say this but our D didnt have Luke or Star or Short in 11/12,  Not to mention having the god awful short safety. 

 

Not comparable. 

 

 

[CRA]

Or we could hire an elite OC....

Just a thought

And not sure how many times ppl have to say this but our D didnt have Luke or Star or Short in 11/12, Not to mention having the god awful short safety.

Not comparable.

I'd rather have talent. Talent makes coaches att his level for the most part.

We lack it on O. Until that gets addressed who the OC isn't going to mean that much

[teeray]

Not really,

The quickyeryou move and more explosive you are the more points you can score. ie The more chances you have at STRETCHING / BUILDING a lead. This is especially true when you have a great D that is gonna get you good field position and 3 / 6 and outs.

If a team takes for ever to score they are gonna keep the game close for the other team and give the other team a chance late. Which is what we saw alot last year and in the TB game.

Yes really.

There is a Ying to every Yang.

The faster you move and the more possessions you ramp up the more possessions you allow the other team as well and the more yardage and points you will allow.

There are some benefits and detriments to either style of pace. But the one key is efficiency.

You may stretch and early lead. You also may allow other team to stretch the lead on you if you come out struggling on offense. Atlanta has been playing no huddle. They blew out Tampa. But they also got pretty much blown out by Cincinnati.

Defensively limiting possessions forces other team to put premium on each possession. Just one or two mistakes can be difference in a game, whereas a high possession game one or two mistakes is more easily absorbed. If you have a great defense you increase the likelihood of the other team making those mistakes.

If you are controlling the ball, not turning it over, and winning the field position battle you will win more than you will lose every time.

In other words, being down 14 points in the 3rd is a lot bigger deficit against Georgia Tech than it is against UNC. Against UNC you will have likely 6-7 more possessions to get points where if Georgia Tech is playing well offensively that number may be only be 2 or 3 possessions.

I agree that it is true that playing faster may give you opportunities to extend a lead, and playing slower can keep other teams in a game, but at times works in our teams favor as well.

Meaning there are times where we drive the ball and settle for field goals or don't play well offensively, but by slowing the game down we keep ourselves in the game instead of possibly getting blown out and finding a way to win in the end.

Against Miami last year we didn't play that well early but managed to stay in the game and got a win.

My main point is that for every YING there is a Yang. It is reasonable that if we push tempo, where we may accumulate more yards and more points, the opposing team will also accumulate more yards and more points. So in the end it still comes down to efficiency on both sides of the ball.

That is why i dont have a strong opinion on pace. You can win and win big controlling clock or playing fast. It all comes down to execution.

[MedellinHeel]

I'd rather have talent. Talent makes coaches att his level for the most part.

We lack it on O. Until that gets addressed who the OC isn't going to mean that much

One could argue the contrary in the NFL.

This isn't college. All teams have talent, some more than others obviously. However, there is a lot more disparity in the NFL than college. Primarily due to not a lot separating NFL teams. In which coaching plays a larger role.

Shula is not adapting to the poor OL. He is trying to put a square plug into a round hole.

He is dailing up way to many long developing routes. With how bad we are on OL we should run almost exclusively a 3 step drop offense. Short routes and quick read progressions.

[fjblair]

No more defending Shula, the Huddle must unite!

[CRA]

One could argue the contrary in the NFL.

This isn't college. All teams have talent, some more than others obviously. However, there is a lot more disparity in the NFL than college. Primarily due to not a lot separating NFL teams. In which coaching plays a larger role.

Shula is not adapting to the poor OL. He is trying to put a square plug into a round hole.

He is dailing up way to many long developing routes. With how bad we are on OL we should run almost exclusively a 3 step drop offense. Short routes and quick read progressions.

MUCH easier to name good offenses with talent and weak coaching than good offenses with bad talent and great coaching at this level IMO.

And at this level when their is a significant talent mismatch you can't just claim coaches should be able to just coach around it for success.

[MichaelNewtonII]

Chud is worse than Shula. Let that marinate for a minute.

it's marinated and I still think chud was a much better o coordinator than Shula is

[MichaelNewtonII]

your memory is very short or your time following this team is short.

he seemed to work great with cam and that's what matters

[CRA]

it's marinated and I still think chud was a much better o coordinator than Shula is

Chud was garbage. Just listen to anyone who played under him as a OC.

Yes, Chud was willing to recycle some of Norv's trick plays to get on Sportscenter. They were fun to watch. An OC, Chud was not. Shula plays the most boring style of football that exists....which I don't like. But not liking that brand of football doesn't make Chud a better OC.

Shula puts people in position to win more than lose. Chud didn't....Chud just rode Newton's highlight ability

[R0CKnR0LLA]

We've never won a game under Shula in which we've given up more than 20 points. If a team scores 21+ on us, we lose.

[CRA]

We've never won a game under Shula in which we've given up more than 20 points. If a team scores 21+ on us, we lose.

In fairness, we are 14-5 with Shula.

5 games...

-The fluke Bills game won as time expired

-AZ game where the team around Cam imploded the entire first half despite a great first half game plan

- Saints in the dome (where they are unique)

- Seattle game where we fumbled on the way to taking the lead

Then the 1 game from this season