Vick is an Eagle

[King Taharqa]

Why do you make everything a race issue?

If I was in the Tinderbox everyday talking about how racist President Obama is, would you ask me the same question?

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Matt Foley]

Rush was DEAD WRONG. If McNabb was out of the league right now or #2 on someone's depth chart, he would've been right. But McNabb is the only QB left standing from his draft class. He's been to 5 pro bowls, 5 NFC championships, and a Super Bowl. He's thrown for close to 200 TDs, and 30,000 passing yards. Give Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Chad Pennington, or any other QB that resume and no one will call them overrated.

I honestly believe if Couch had gone to Philly and McNabb had gone to Cleveland, Couch would have won a Super Bowl by now. Call me crazy (and a Kentucky homer) but that's what I think.

I'm not saying McNabb is terrible, and Limbaugh didn't say that, either. He said he's overrated. He is. Every year we hear about how he's an elite quarterback, and every year he comes up short when it counts.

You say he's better than Delhomme. Delhomme played out of his mind in the Super Bowl. McNabb played like he was in a fog, acting like all he had to do was score once at the end to win the game, wasting the clock and any chance the Eagles had at winning.

[Mr. Scot]

This is a guy who's passing stats supercede Jake's by a mile and you say "not by as much as you think". Comedy. McNabb has one of the best TD to INT ratios in the history of the game, everytime Delhomme drops back we as Panthers fans hold our breath. That same Arizona team last year that Jake wet the bed against and gave the ball 6 times to, Don posted 300 yards against and rallied his team against. You would be hard pressed to walk on the street and find NFL fans who would take a Jake Delhomme over a Don McNabb. But again, since he's a black QB who has athletic ability its illegal to praise him as a passer without throwing some backhanded shot at him.

Im not accusing you of being racist, I am accusing you of being biased in favor of more traditional white QBs. If you had a McNabb or Vick at your disposal you would be clueless in how to utilize them and would ask them to move to another position in favor of a player with less talent because you lack the vision to use their skillset. I am accusing you of being one dimensional and close minded in your belief that a QB is one thing. I am accusing you of going out of your way to diminish the McNabbs, Vicks, Cunninghams because they hold ability that white QBs dont. You hold McNabb and Vick to a standard that you dont hold those other guys to. McNabb gotta be Superman before you'll admit he's better or as good as other QBs who cant elude a rush. Who cant turn a dead play into a 15-20 yard gain. Who cant make plays outside of the pocket. If Jake or Brees or whoever posts a 300 yard performance, you're not gonna tell us "how inaccurate they looked doing it" or tell us how their final drive went. They will receive the praise they deserve.

Ill take that as your concession to defeat because its hard to argue in a league that is 70% black why the most critical position on the football field remains 90-95% white. Its the worst kept secret in football, and if you think I'm the only black NFL fan to notice, you are sadly mistaken sir. This is the information age man, its gonna be harder and harder to keep this charade going. Quarterbacks play a pivotal role in the marketing of football teams, they are the "faces" of franchises. If we reduce the number of white QBs in this league, the only white players you'd have left generally speaking in this league would be at linemen and special teams. And its hard to market a lineman as your face. Its hard to market a kicker as your face. This would effectively turn the NFL into the NBA (a "black league") and probably alienate alot of NFL fans (like yourself) because we know how much the NFL old guard hates the NBA. LOL. So is it surprising any black QB who's hyped as bringing "change to the position" folks go out of their way to hate? Is it surprising when we name great passers of the game, black QBs names never come up despite the fact there have been some guys to make their mark in this game? The truth is, we dont want change. We dont want to be out there looking for the next McNabb or the next Doug Williams. We dont want to draft a black QB and waste a potential roster spot that could go to a more traditional marginal QB. We dont want to believe that the days of the 6'5 240 lb non-mobile stiff dropping back throwing passes is over. We dont want to acknowledge that the Charlotte Bobcats have had more black GMs in their 6 year history than the ENTIRE NFL has had in 75 years. We want to keep our little racket going and pray that the black NFL players & NFL fans dont notice whats going on.

TRANSLATION:

I am incapable of keeping up in an argument that focuses solely on real issues. If my opponent argues on a higher level, the only thing that I can do is stoop to accusing them of racist thinking in order to try to make them become defensive and cause the argument to degenerate. Otherwise, I know I have no shot of staying in the debate.

Couldn't even make it one through without going there. Pretty much what I expected :nonod:

Told you already it wouldn't wash with me and gave you the rules, and you couldn't manage it.

Game, set, match. You lose.

[King Taharqa]

I honestly believe if Couch had gone to Philly and McNabb had gone to Cleveland, Couch would have won a Super Bowl by now. Call me crazy (and a Kentucky homer) but that's what I think.

Im gonna call you crazy. LOL.

I'm not saying McNabb is terrible, and Limbaugh didn't say that, either. He said he's overrated. He is. Every year we hear about how he's an elite quarterback, and every year he comes up short when it counts.

Overrated by whom? Most people wont put him in their top 5 and hesitate to praise him. Your last sentence could be applied to many QBs. Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Dan Marino. I could go on for days. Hell if you look at Peyton Mannings playoff career, the one Super Bowl he did win doesnt erase the fact he's more likely to choke (like he did again last year) then take you all the way. Favre won a Super Bowl early in his career and followed it up with 10 years of chokejobs and shitty playoff games. The Super Bowl is one game and doesnt define a career. Otherwise guys like Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon, and Trent Dilfer would be considered the best of all time.

You say he's better than Delhomme. Delhomme played out of his mind in the Super Bowl. McNabb played like he was in a fog, acting like all he had to do was score once at the end to win the game, wasting the clock and any chance the Eagles had at winning.

Delhomme played out of his mind in the Super Bowl, but that was what? 6 years ago? And he still LOST. I dont know why we ignore that blatant fact. And as bad as Don played (3 TDs, 3 INTs) his team lost by the same amount of points as we did in the Super Bowl, 3. McNabb has never thrown 5 INTs in a playoff game. Delhomme is a far superior choker to McNabb. He's our guy and since we're stuck with him I will support him this year, but I would take McNabb over him in a heartbeat.

[Johnny Rockets]

I honestly believe if Couch had gone to Philly and McNabb had gone to Cleveland, Couch would have won a Super Bowl by now. Call me crazy (and a Kentucky homer) but that's what I think.

I'm not saying McNabb is terrible, and Limbaugh didn't say that, either. He said he's overrated. He is. Every year we hear about how he's an elite quarterback, and every year he comes up short when it counts.

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:eek: Couch, Superbowl, Really?

And I honestly can't remember the last time I heard McNabb called an elite QB.....not saying there aren't people who have said that in the past but it is few and far between. I think people confuse things when they hear the Eagles called an elite team/organization, they automatically think they are saying McNabb is elite.

[King Taharqa]

Couldn't even make it one through without going there. Pretty much what I expected :nonod:

I say the same thing when I see you in a McNabb/Vick related thread.

Told you already it wouldn't wash with me and gave you the rules, and you couldn't manage it.

I only debate with my equals, all others I teach. Get out your pen and pad Scott, you might learn something.

[Mr. Scot]

I say the same thing when I see you in a McNabb/Vick related thread.

I only debate with my equals, all others I teach. Get out your pen and pad Scott, you might learn something.

Not even close.

Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't accept you going your usual race-based route. These days, I'm even less tolerant of it, and for good reason.

Just a short time back, I attended the funeral of a close friend, a friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly, a friend whom I didn't get to say goodbye to, a friend who was one of the first new friends I made when I moved here, a friend who was one of the first people to make me feel welcome in this area, a friend at whose funeral I wept bitterly and a friend whom I now think about on an almost daily basis because he sat near me at work and I have to pass by the exact spot where he fell and died several times a day.

This good friend was black, and his memory is very prominent in my mind right now. His friendship is something I'll miss, but if anything good has come out of it, I've become even closer to another friend - also black, and a minister - with whom I've had a lot of discussion about the loss and what can be done for his family in the wake of it. We've also spent a good amount of time sharing our own common experiences and the memory of our time with this good man.

Point blank: Thinking like yours spits in the face of that memory, dishonors the friendship we shared and taints the other friendships I have now. Thinking like yours would have divided me from him and would split me from the friends with whom I now share comfort and good memories.

Thinking like yours is based in racism and hate, and that more than anything else is why you lose. I have zero tolerance for that, especially now, so you can take your race-baiting tactics and go somewhere else with them because I'm not putting up with it. I normally wouldn't anyway, but definitely not now.

[Johnny Rockets]

:eek: Couch, Superbowl, Really?

And I honestly can't remember the last time I heard McNabb called an elite QB.....not saying there aren't people who have said that in the past but it is few and far between. I think people confuse things when they hear the Eagles called an elite team/organization, they automatically think they are saying McNabb is elite.

Nevermind, I take it back.....Apparently McNabb says he is the best. ......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4404702

Donovan McNabb said Monday he first lobbied the Eagles to sign Michael Vick a month ago. "He'll get a chance to learn from the best," McNabb said. ... I love it!

[Matt Foley]

Well, I'll just say it. Ninety nine percent of my info comes from the Berman/Jackson/Keyshawn group at espn. They are always saying McNabb is one of the best QBs. If you ask me, McNabb is the only thing that has kept Philly from winning a Super Bowl during their amazing run under Reid.

And yes, Couch in the Super Bowl. He could make all the throws. Just like David Carr he got pounded and developed rabbit ears/happy feet in the pocket and it destroyed his career.

[King Taharqa]

If you ask me, McNabb is the only thing that has kept Philly from winning a Super Bowl during their amazing run under Reid.

Why didnt Philly win it the year Jeff Garcia started for them in the playoffs then?

[Johnny Rockets]

As with so many other things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

McNabb probably is one of the (many) reasons reason the Eagles have not won a Superbowl but he is also a big reason why we have a chance to win one every year and have been to so many NFC Championship games. I'd personally rather take my chances with him than without him.

[The Link]

Not to take KT's side or anything, but I'd trade Delhomme for McNabb in a heartbeat. McNabb is a MUCH better QB. When Delhomme plays his best, he is a great QB. When McNabb plays his best, he is an elite QB.

[Matt Foley]

Why didnt Philly win it the year Jeff Garcia started for them in the playoffs then?

Because Jeff Garcia started for them.

I think Randall Cunningham was a better quarterback than Donovan McNabb. Agree or disagree?

[Peppers90 NC]

Because Jeff Garcia started for them.

I think Randall Cunningham was a better quarterback than Donovan McNabb. Agree or disagree?

Disagree, and Cunningham was one of my favorite QB's growing up, him and Elway. Cunningham was good, but McNabb is really good. Cunningham did have one PHENOMENAL year but it was with Moss, Carter and Smith.