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6 years, $150,250,000, $54,000,000 guaranteed, Projected contract for Cam

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jarhead Newbie

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Flacco got a six-year, $120.6 million contract with $52 million guaranteed

So $20 million/year for Flacco. Is Cam worth an extra $5 million/year over Flacco?

Doesn't seem that far-fetched

Problem with this math is Flacco is not worth his contract.They overpaid

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teeray Rookie

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Even if you try the fallacy of equating QB and wins.

Cam takes over a 2-14 team with a historically bad offense and in year 3 gets them to 12-4 with a playoff bye and people dont want to pay him because he didn't get enough wins or didn't get to NFC Championship game his first opportunity.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Some of you guys a stretching the limits of believability with this stuff.

You should really think things through before hitting that post button.

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Even if you try the fallacy of equating QB and wins.

Cam takes over a 2-14 team with a historically bad offense and in year 3 gets them to 12-4 with a playoff bye and people dont want to pay him because he didn't get enough wins or didn't get to NFC Championship game his first opportunity.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Some of you guys a stretching the limits of believability with this stuff.

You should really think things through before hitting that post button.

 

But who was top 2 defense?

 

You might need to take your own advice, or at the very least consider other factors. 

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But who was top 2 defense?

You might need to take your own advice, or at the very least consider other factors.

Maybe you can create a slide and scale based on a QB to defense ratio so I know when I should attribute wins to the QB and when to attribute them to the defense. That way we don't have to jump back and forth to prove false narratives.

Like, for instance, Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl without a top 6 scoring defense. Therefore, based on slide and scale he has zero Super Bowls but Pats defense has three and Brady should not be paid like a Super Bowl winning QB.

Does that work?

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I swear some of our fans treat Cam the same way that the national media does.

In 2011/12 when we lost a bunch of close games that we shoulda won and the media pretty much blamed Cam and only Cam. They refused to acknowledge that Cam and the offense had done all they could to get a 4th quarter lead but the D couldn't hold on to it bc of the weak spots on defense. Even 2012's 10th overall in total D was misleading bc their 4th qtr points/yards were near the bottom of the league but never mentioned after close losses.

Now that the FO has built up the defense to help the offense instead of vice versa all of a sudden Cam's value to this squad has dropped in some ppl's opinion bc they think the D is doing everything and Cam just has to be Trent Dilfer and NOT fug up the game. Go defense.....ooops i meant go Panthers.

 

Hell, even 2013 the defense blew some late 4th Qtr lead to bum QB's (EJ Manuel, who was a bum at the time, and Josh Freeman), early in the season for some horrendous last minute losses.

 

But yes! Everything you said was true, about the team, fans and the media!!

 

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So, other teams over pay players and we should simply because they do? 

 

Cam is gonna get paid a lot of money, regardless of the opinion of ppl on the huddle. 

 

Just some of us are a bit gun shy and concerned about paying a poo ton of money for someone that has not been able (thus far) to put things together and will us to playoff victories.

 

 

I do not have game pass yet so I can not go back and watch every snap of our playoff loss to the niners. 

 

If I were a betting man I would put my money on Cam missing reads, holding on to the ball too long, and making some poor passes. 

 

You have to focus on playoffs to a certain degree because that is when the most pressure is on. Some QBs wilt under pressure and some rise to the occasion. 

 

Yea, I wouldnt have wanted to give Manning a MASSIVE contract until he won a few playoffs games as well. That goes for any QB. 

 

I want to see how they perform in the biggest stages at the highest level. 

 

Not sure when and why the NFL got to paying ELITE money to non elite players. 

 

Cam is on his way, def, but he aint there yet.

I understand that you are leery of having to pay Cam poo tons of money. Especially since, at this point, he hasn't won in the playoffs. But...the market sets the value. Not wins, no matter where or how they come, or don't come.

The market value for franchise QBs is through the roof. Nothing we/you/anyone can do about it. It would be great if someone would take the bull by the horns and say, "No more". But that ain't gonna happen.

We will pay Cam what the market says we will pay him. And it is going to be a lot of money.

The one saving grace is that the salary cap is going up. So it shouldn't handicap us by the time Cam gets his, as much as it has some teams who have paid out recently.

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Maybe you can create a slide and scale based on a QB to defense ratio so I know when I should attribute wins to the QB and when to attribute them to the defense. That way we don't have to jump back and forth to prove false narratives.

Like, for instance, Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl without a top 6 scoring defense. Therefore, based on slide and scale he has zero Super Bowls but Pats defense has three and Brady should not be paid like a Super Bowl winning QB.

Does that work?

 

We simply have to use our head on this as there is no set metric to gauge such. 

 

For instance, 

 

The Panthers are known for having an awesome defense. It is our signature. Cam doesn't go out there (generally) and amase 400 yards of total offense week in and week out. Past couple of years he has been more of a game manager. Lowish passing yards with a decent amount of rushing yards. Basically, OC wants Cam to manage the game. Don't make stupid plays, burn clock, lean on the D and running game. Which, Cam has been doing pretty well. 

 

Tom Brady is known for slinging the rock all around the field (300+ passing yards a game). 

 

Maybe PFF accounts for overall impact on a game, I do not know. All I know is our D is what lead us to 12-4 last year. Cam did a great job of complimenting the D. Run the the TOP offense, cut back on turnovers, etc. 

 

Manning, Rodgers, Brees etc are people that lead their teams. For SEA and CAR it's the D first. Cam and Wilson play more of a Robin role than Batman. 

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