6 years, $150,250,000, $54,000,000 guaranteed, Projected contract for Cam

[teeray]

Honestly, you should watch him play instead of going off of stats alone. He completely controls that offense, and dices folks up. So far he has played the Seahawks, and carved them, and the Cardinals (really good D) and should have won that game going away.

http://grantland.com/features/philip-rivers-career-san-diego-chargers-2004-nfl-draft/

Worth the read.

I try to watch every game with NFL rewind, but I admit I haven't this season.

No matter how you slice it 59 INTs and fumbles over two years is bad

[thefuzz]

I try to watch every game with NFL rewind, but I admit I haven't this season.

No matter how you slice it 59 INTs and fumbles over two years is bad

 

The funbles are very strange, but the INT's not so much.

 

 

Newton has 42 INT's in 49 games played, against 65 TD's.

 

Rivers has 105 INT's in 134 games played, against 225 TD's.

[rayzor]

You make a good point, however.....

Unfortunately, everything ultimately falls on the QB and HC.

i can kind of understand the HC, but QB? QB doesn't play defense. QB doesn't block for himself. QB doesnt catch his own passes. get the idea? there's 10 other people on the field with him and all of them play a role in whether the team wins or loses. and then there's the offense and special teams. and then there's the other team who might just be better all around than the team the QB is on. it doesn't ultimately fall on any one player anymore than one play wins or loses a game.check. those are false narratives that people who like good stories about football believe. it's just not true and it never has been. the game is bigger than one player.the QB is the most important player, but that doesn't make him the guy that wins or loses every game.

[FattyFatFat]

Does anyone remember Brian St. Pierre? Pay Cam.

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[teeray]

The funbles are very strange, but the INT's not so much.

 

 

Newton has 42 INT's in 49 games played, against 65 TD's.

 

Rivers has 105 INT's in 134 games played, against 225 TD's.

 

Fumbles is a part of it though, you can't just dismiss them. 

 

He had a bad two year run.  Pretty terrible really.  But he seems to fit better with the new coach and new system, and I admit I mixed up my years and last year he had a comeback year and played really well.

[bandu]

I cant imagine anyone thinking cam newton single handedly won 4 games without the support of our defense?cam won13 and lost22 games prior to last years 12-5 mark.so was it cam that improved that dramatically as an offensive weapon or was it our elite #2 ranked defense allowing cam the opportunity to win?either or, its all about TEAM! By the way,regarding elite defenses,the past 48 superbowl CHAMPS on average have been ranked 3 positions better than their opponent in total defense.

[teeray]

i can kind of understand the HC, but QB? QB doesn't play defense. QB doesn't block for himself. QB doesnt catch his own passes. get the idea? there's 10 other people on the field with him and all of them play a role in whether the team ns or loses. and then there's the offense and special teams. and then there's the other team who might just be better all around than the team the QB is on. it doesn't ultimately fall on any one player anymore than one play wins or loses a game.check. those are false narratives that people who like good stories about football believe. it's just not true and it never has been. the game is bigger than one player.the QB is the most important player, but that doesn't make him the guy that wins or loses every game.

 

I agree with you, however, good QBs can make everything easier for everyone around them and is the one position that can do the most to influence every aspect of an offense (blocking, catching, running).

[thefuzz]

Fumbles is a part of it though, you can't just dismiss them. 

 

He had a bad two year run.  Pretty terrible really.  But he seems to fit better with the new coach and new system, and I admit I mixed up my years and last year he had a comeback year and played really well.

 

Oh, I'm with you.  Just pointing out that he is playing better right now than almost every QB in the league.  We will see how the year finishes up.

 

Here is Rivers' vs. Newton since Cam has been in the league.  (passing)

 

 

Rivers: 89 TD's.....14 lost fumbles....47 INT's.

 

Newton: 65 TD's.....6 lost fumbles...42 INT's.

 

 

Rivers has lost 8 more fumbles while dropping back an extra 217 times during the same span.

 

 

Not trying to compare Cam to an 11 year vet, just saying that stats can skew things a bit.

[rayzor]

I agree with you, however, good QBs can make everything easier for everyone around them and is the one position that can do the most to influence every aspect of an offense (blocking, catching, running).

i will agree with that.

[Semaj]

I mean, we virtually have Cam for the next three years and there's nothing he can do about it.

The problem is, you pay Cam that kind of money, awesome. Great work. JJ Watt just signed a $100m deal. I'm sure Kuechly wants something similar. There's another $100m check written. Now Star is coming up. Awesome, Star is a major cornerstone of our offense. Albert Haynesworth received a $100m deal years ago, how much is Star going to want? Alright, there's another $XXm deal...

That's exactly why we need to win now. By win, I mean the super bowl.

[Cam2Benji]

My goodness people saying Phillip Rivers is a elite qb?

 

 

The guy played with arguably the best rb/te in the game and couldn't even reach the Superbowl. I remember when the Chargers were Superbowl favorites for 3 straight years and they always disappointed.

 

 

I guess we have a lot of NC State fans on the Huddle?

[TheRed]

Oh, I'm with you.  Just pointing out that he is playing better right now than almost every QB in the league.  We will see how the year finishes up.

 

Here is Rivers' vs. Newton since Cam has been in the league.  (passing)

 

 

Rivers: 89 TD's.....14 lost fumbles....47 INT's.

 

Newton: 65 TD's.....6 lost fumbles...42 INT's.

 

 

Rivers has lost 8 more fumbles while dropping back an extra 217 times during the same span.

 

 

Not trying to compare Cam to an 11 year vet, just saying that stats can skew things a bit.

 

Rivers has had some ups and downs, but he's good. They are different QB's though, if you are going to attempt to line up their statistics, you have to include them all to show exactly what they bring to the table for their respective teams when they are on the field.

 

It's all about reaching the end zone.

 

For Newton to have 93 touchdowns only 3 seasons and 1 game in shows exactly what he brings to the table for his team.

[thefuzz]

Rivers has had some ups and downs, but he's good. They are different QB's though, if you are going to attempt to line up their statistics, you have to include them all to show exactly what they bring to the table for their respective teams when they are on the field.

 

It's all about reaching the end zone.

 

For Newton to have 93 touchdowns only 3 seasons and 1 game in shows exactly what he brings to the table for his team.

 

That's not what I was trying to do there.

 

Just showing Teeray that Rivers does belong at the very top of the pecking order, even in the same breath as Brees, Brady, Rodgers and Manning.

[FootballMaestro]

Rivers has had some ups and downs, but he's good. They are different QB's though, if you are going to attempt to line up their statistics, you have to include them all to show exactly what they bring to the table for their respective teams when they are on the field.

 

It's all about reaching the end zone.

 

For Newton to have 93 touchdowns only 3 seasons and 1 game in shows exactly what he brings to the table for his team.

 

I would have just said, "compare their first three seasons in the NFL (unless he did)".

 

I'm not always one to bring up Cam's rushing TD's, as he will probably accumulate less of them, and concentrate on throwing for more TD's as his career and options progresses.

 

Now, of course when you talk about their abilities, it makes Cam a very dangerous weapon.