6 years, $150,250,000, $54,000,000 guaranteed, Projected contract for Cam

[FootballMaestro]

We aren't a running team. We use the pass to set up the run.

 

I'm sure it's been done reluctantly. But yes, that's how it's been any time the Panthers have had any running success during/since 2011.

 

Certainly was Newton's rookie season, when the RB's (other than Newton or Tolbert) had good, productive, reliable years. And even that success, came towards the middle of the season when Newton proved he could throw it.

 

Truly great running teams, can run the ball regardless. Sooner or later, they're going to break one or a few.

 

Ok running teams (such as the Panthers), need the defense to be loosened up in order to run it. Doesn't mean the Panthers don't have talented runners. They do. But hey somethings gotta give. Whether these guys are too old (D'Angelo), too well paid (both), or it's a scheme/OL problem; they can't run reliably in any formation it appears.

 

The sooner the Panthers admit, and adjust for this (as during the Detroit game), the better their season will be.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

really if you have a stacked defense and a solid ground attack and some good pieces at WR and TE then QB becomes just another position really

 

just look at josh mccown lighting it up in tampa bay

[MedellinHeel]

Guys when I say clutch I thought it was obvious I was talking about the playoffs.

[MechaZain]

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Wilson will fall off

[Car123]

Guys when I say clutch I thought it was obvious I was talking about the playoffs.

What have Dalton, Stafford, and Cutler done in the playoffs?

[Jangler]

the whole point of the rookie salary cap was to make sure the rookies are worth the big contract. Cam has proved he is worth it. If the Panthers don't pay up, you can write off this team to ever be winners.

[TheRumGone]

Medellinheel was the guy going batshit insane this offseason. He knows nothing of football or how cam single handedly won us four fuging games last year with that elite defense

[teeray]

I respect your football knowledge, but have you completely lost your mind?

Rivers is playing the QB position as well as anyone not named Manning right now. Rivers had two "down" years in which he passed for 26 and 27 TD's.

He is in the top 4 in all time QB rating...with a couple guys named Manning, Rodgers, and Young above him.

Manning

Rivers

Rodgers

Brees

Ryan

Brady

Cam

That's how I'm breaking them down right now.

Well I got my years mixed up, I meant 2011 and 2012 he was terrible. Last year he had a bounce back year.

I was talking about the back to back seasons when he had a cumulative 35 INTs and 24 fumbles. And was generally terrible.

[TheRumGone]

Well I got my years mixed up, I meant 2011 and 2012 he was terrible. Last year he had a bounce back year.

I was talking about the back to back seasons when he had a cumulative 35 INTs and 24

fumbles. And was generally terrible.

Fluke lame duck years. Rivers is a beast

[teeray]

Fluke lame duck years. Rivers is a beast

I don't know. In 2010 he had 13 picks and 7 fumbles and through 2 games this year he has 1 pick and 3 fumbles.

Maybe last year was the fluke.

He throws the ball decently, but he throws a lot of picks and fumbles the ball ALL THE TIME.

Although in fairness the fumbles I am using aren't all lost fumbles, but still.

[E CaT PanTHer]

I feel Cam will get a deal somewhere in that realm, but it will be very similar to Kaep's deal (a highly incentive based contract with a ton of fluff) It seems like teams are heading in that direction, and I honestly feel the same type of contract should be given to Cam. Below are the details of Kaep's deal that most people don't know about. 

 

Per PFT. 

 

 

In response to our item suggesting that theColin Kaepernick deal, trumpeted as being worth “up to” $126 million with $61 million guaranteed contains plenty of fluff, a league source with knowledge of the deal sent the details to PFT, and multiple other sources have chimed in on the contents of the contract.

As expected, there’s plenty of fluff.

Technically, the deal has $61 million guaranteed, even though $6 million of the guaranteed salary could evaporate (more on that later).  Either way, only $13.073 million is guaranteed at signing.  It comes in the form of a $12.328 million signing bonus, a base salary of $645,000, and a workout bonus of $100,000.

For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury.  On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed.  That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick.  And with the deadline for the conversion of the guarantee coming on April 1, the 49ers can squat on his rights until several weeks after the start of free agency, making it harder for him to get paid elsewhere.

The base salary for 2015 is $12.4 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2015.

For 2016, the base salary is $13.9 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2016.

For 2017, the base salary is $16.5 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2017.

For 2018, the base salary is $17 million, $5.2 million of which is guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2018.

The non-guaranteed base salary for 2019 is $18.8 million, and the non-guaranteed base salary for 2020 is $21 million.

In each year from 2015 through 2020, however, there’s a catch.  A big one.  The total payout potentially de-escalates by $2 million per year, with up to $12 million potentially going away.

Kaepernick can halt the de-escalation by taking, in any year of the deal, 80 percent of the snaps and if:  (1) the 49ers appear in the Super Bowl; or (2) Kaepernick is named a first-team or second-team All-Pro.  If he satisfies the requirement in 2014, the full $12 million remains.  If he fails in 2014 but succeeds in 2015, $10 million stays.  If he does it for the first time in 2016, $8 million remains.  If he does it for the first time in 2017, $6 million stays — and so on until 2019, when if he satisfies the requirement that year for the first time $2 million stays in the deal for 2010.

It’s a convoluted way to pump up the base value of the deal artificially, allowing Kaepernick and his agents to claim that the deal is better than it will be, unless he satisfies the requirements to stop the de-escalator this year.

The contract also includes, starting in 2015, a whopping $2 million per year in per-game roster bonuses, an amount that one source characterized as “massive” in comparison to similar deals.  It means that, for every game Kaepernick misses due to injury after the 2014 season, he loses $125,000.

Starting in 2015, $400,000 per year is tied to workout bonuses, which adds up to $2.4 million of the base value.

The contract also requires Kaepernick to purchase, with after-tax dollars, a disability policy that pays the 49ers $20 million if he suffers a career-ending injury.

As one source put it, Kaepernick can feel good about the deal because he has a lot more guaranteed money today than he had yesterday.  But the same source also added that the 49ers are nevertheless “thrilled” with the contract, which allows them to control Kaepernick’s rights for seven years and to move on after any of the next six seasons, if they ultimately decide that Kaepernick is more like the guy who struggled at times during the 2013 regular season and less like the guy who found the gas pedal in the playoffs.

If they keep him, the average payout will be low in comparison to other franchise quarterbacks, and the difference will become glaring as other franchise quarterbacks get new deals under a salary cap that is expected to continue to spike.

 

[jrbryson19]

Doesn't seem unrealistic when you think about the cap raises and the new tv deals.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

What have Dalton, Stafford, and Cutler done in the playoffs?

 

jack poo is the answer to that question.  cutler at least won a playoff game which is more than can be said for the other two.

 

dalton has been absolutely horrible in the playoffs so i don't know why his name keeps getting brought up.  1 TD to 6 INTs and a QB rating of 56.  oh yeah and he just signed a big extension too.