Marcus Mariota, Is he any good?

[carpantherfan84]

Because the Bucs gonna be taking him with the number 1 overall pick, lol.

 

 

Seriously though, I don't watch college ball. Should we be concerned with him coming to the division with Evans and Jackson catching his passes? 

[DirtyMagic97]

Because the Bucs gonna be taking him with the number 1 overall pick, lol.

 

 

Seriously though, I don't watch college ball. Should we be concerned with him coming to the division with Evans and Jackson catching his passes? 

 

Personally, I think he's the top QB in this draft. Winston may be a more ready now QB, but I think Mariota has a ton of upside. He is 6'4 220lbs. this season. I think his weight in the pros will get over 230lbs, which is still somewhat small. His average 40 time is about 4.5 seconds, but he has run a 4.42 before. His game speed is fast as well.

 

He has greatly improved his footwork in the pocket and has shown the ability to work through his progressions and look safeties off his targets. He hasn't been asked to throw a ton of pro-level routes yet, but he has done it some. He's a very smart passer and he takes care of the football. He has thrown 0 interceptions this season and has only thrown 10 his entire career.

 

All-in-all, I think we have every reason to believe Mariota could be a franchise QB for any team that drafts him.

[CamandWilson]

If you like the Rg3s and Kaepernicks of the world then Mariota is your guy

If you want a real once in a decade type talent... But has suspect character issues then its Winston

[gettlemanjack]

Bucky Brooks, a former NFL scout for John Fox (Panthers) and Mike Holmgren (Seahawks) wrote this about him after studying his film (compare to what he said about Cam Newton below)...

"There is no disputing Mariota's potential as a franchise quarterback at the next level. ... he is the prototype of the position at the next level... the consummate dual-threat quarterback ... a game changer at the position...he could revolutionize the position in the NFL

...

I'm basing my opinion on the combination of mental, physical and athletic characteristics that Mariota has exhibited

...

(with) speed in the 4.4 range, he is a dynamic athlete capable of wreaking havoc on the perimeter. ... he has the explosiveness to score from anywhere on the field with the ball in his hands.... He has the ability to explode through cracks for big gains...he is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball... Most important, he acts like Houdini in the pocket, eluding defenders to make throws to the perimeter. ... Mariota shows excellent poise in the pocket. He has a knack for feeling defenders around him, as his eyes stay downfield ... he torments defenses with his ability to extend plays with his feet before finding an open receiver on ... Given his combination of improvisational skills and pocket poise, Mariota could be a nightmare to defend at the next level.

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At 6-foot-4, 211 pounds... Mariota has the size to withstand the punishment from defenders when he elects to flee the pocket. ...

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For all of the excitement generated by Mariota's athleticism and running skills, it has been his ability to make every throw in the book that has captivated NFL scouts. He easily throws the ball to every area of the field with superb zip and velocity. Additionally, Mariota is capable of changing the pace and trajectory of his throws to drop balls into tight areas.

...

Although some would suggest Mariota is a byproduct of the Ducks' explosive spread offensive system, I believe Mariota is a polished pocket passer with outstanding footwork and mechanics. He delivers crisp passes with zip and velocity, but also flashes a deft touch on anticipation throws at intermediate and deep range.

...

Mariota has superb football intelligence... The Ducks' offensive supremacy is seemingly system-driven until you take a close look at the performance of Mariota. ... He has a complete grasp of making checks and adjustments at the line... he consistently displays sound judgment in the Duck's offense that requires the quarterback to read multiple defenders in a nanosecond after the snap... His brilliant execution and his mastery of the offense make the Ducks nearly impossible to stop....there is nothing about Mariota's play on the field that suggests he'll be unable to make the (mental) transition at the next level."

compare to what he said about Cam and the other QBs in the 2011 class:

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada - "His transition from a Pistol offense is a concern, as is a quirky delivery that could prove problematic against much-quicker defenses in the NFL... he could be an ideal fallback plan on Day 2 of the draft. (Kaepernick ended up going #36 overall, the 6th QB taken in the draft)

Andy Dalton, TCU - His football intelligence has intrigued scouts and coaches looking for a franchise quarterback prospect not as highly touted. He lacks superior arm strength and is probably not a good fit for a vertical-passing team...He is a safe second round pick. (Dalton ended up going #35 overall, the 5th QB taken).

Christian Ponder, Florida State - He doesn't possess the strongest arm, which will limit his new team's play-calling...he is a safe second round pick (Ponder ended up going #12 overall, the 4th QB taken)

Jake Locker, Washington - His struggles with accuracy and pocket awareness have led to concerns about his ability to thrive as a pro. Even though he shows some promise as a passer on the perimeter due to his superior athleticism, his inability to function in the pocket makes it difficult for some teams to envision him as a franchise quarterback. ... his undisciplined footwork frequently results in errant throws ... his inability to play with proper balance or body control has hindered his effectiveness. He has struggled with his accuracy, and his disappointing completion percentage has raised red flags (Locker ended up going #8 overall, the 2nd QB taken after Cam).

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri - There are times on film when he just doesn't handle pressure well. ... Scouts also worry about his ability to transition into a pro-style system. ... the jury is still out on whether he can execute within a pro style system (Gabbert ended up going #10 overall, the 3rd QB taken after Cam and Locker)

Cam Newton, Auburn - Newton is the most electrifying player at the position... He has all the physical traits of a future star and deserves to be the top pick in the draft. ... he has the skill sets to be the face of an organization. ... he has a remarkable combination of size, speed and athleticism... He has all of the physical tools to be an elite quarterback.... As a passer, he shows arm strength and touch, and has solid mechanics for a young player. He gets the ball out of his hand quickly on short and intermediate throws, while also displaying good accuracy when going downfield. He has the ability to drop the ball in the bucket on deep sideline tosses. Even though he has struggled at times with his accuracy from the pocket and on the move, his issues are correctable and not viewed as long-term impediments to his potential. ... but scouts are split on his pro potential. His inexperience running a conventional offense could impact his ability to turn his potential into production.

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For Gabbert and Newton, the transition from the spread l offense to a pro-style system will dominate the conversation. Both directed wide-open offenses that extensively featured the shotgun formation, and their inexperience working from under center could pose major issues down the road. Unlike taking direct snaps while facing the coverage, the process of executing conventional drops with play-action forces a quarterback to lose sight of the defense before finding his reads. Even though it seems like such a minor detail, this is a pivotal part of the drop-back game, and teams have to be convinced that Gabbert and Newton have the ability to operate in that kind of system.

(note when addressing the same 2011 QB Class, he also wrote: Debunking a myth. A "spread" QB will struggle in the NFL. Many teams are already using spread principles, and playing from the shotgun is more prevalent every year. There were more than 40 snaps out of the shotgun in the past two Super Bowls.)

[Lemory]

He is the top QB in next years draft but no we shouldnt worry about him. We already face Brees and Ryan twice a year and hold up fine against them. With our defense, we don't have to worry about any QB we face.

[gettlemanjack]

compare to what that same ex-NFL scout, Bucky Brooks, wrote on July 22, 2014 about Winston:

Jameis Winston misguided in Cam Newton comparison (Joe Flacco is better comparison)

...

After reading Jameis Winston's comments comparing his game to Cam Newton, I think the Heisman Trophy winner might be misguided in his comparison to the Carolina Panthers ' two-time Pro Bowler. While Winston is certainly a big, athletic quarterback with similar physical dimensions, his playing style is different from Newton's game. Whereas Newton was a run first playmaker at Auburn (he led the SEC with 1,473 rushing yards), Winston is a traditional drop-back passer who rarely flees the pocket.

He is at his best delivering pinpoint passes to open receivers following a five-step drop (three-step drop from shotgun) or quick play-action fakes. Winston thrives in Florida State's pro-style offense, which features a host of vertical passing concepts that are staples in NFL playbooks.

Newton played in an unorthodox spread offense that made it hard to project his NFL potential due to the simplistic reads and route concepts. Although he enjoyed immediate success as a rookie quarterback (Newton shattered NFL rookie records for passing yards and rushing touchdowns by a quarterback), the Panthers needed to overhaul their playbook to accommodate his skills; he is still learning how to play the game in a traditional manner from the pocket.

Thus, Winston would be wise to offer up a better comparison in the future. Looking at the Heisman Trophy winner's development over the past year, I believe Joe Flacco of the Baltimore Ravens is a more apt comparison. ... his game closely resembles the former Super Bowl MVP's play in the pocket. From the A-plus arm talent and long delivery to his footwork and sneaky athleticism, it's easy to see Winston developing like Flacco as a pro.

Most important, I can envision an NFL offensive coordinator building a scheme around Winston that closely resembles the Baltimore Ravens' system, particularly the version currently being installed by Gary Kubiak that features a host of play-action and bootleg passes on the perimeter.

[gettlemanjack]

here is what an NFC South scout (for the Bucs?) and other NFL personnel men said about Mariota:

Vice president of player personnel for an NFC team: "The kid is the real deal. ... He has all of the tools that you look for in a franchise quarterback: poise, composure, confidence, arm talent and athleticism. ... I was very impressed with his accuracy and ball placement when I watched him in person (vs. Washington). He also showed good anticipation on his deep throws and looks comfortable making pro-like throws. ... I can't say enough about his speed and explosiveness as a runner, too. I know he is only a redshirt sophomore, but he looks like at top-five pick to me."

NFC South scout (Panthers/Saints/Falcons/Bucs): "He's a real guy. ... He is more polished as a passer than I anticipated for an athletic quarterback. He can make every throw in the book with zip and accuracy, including the deep ball. ... I love his physical tools for the position. Plus, he is supposed to have great intangibles, which is what you want from a franchise-caliber quarterback."

NFC North scout (Packers/Bears/Lions/Viking): "We haven't seen enough of him... I need to see more of him (to give my opinion)."

[Panthro]

Lovie Smith will be bringing in Cade Mcnown to play QB next year

[CamandWilson]

Bucky Brooks, a former NFL scout for John Fox (Panthers) and Mike Holmgren (Seahawks) wrote this about him after studying his film (compare to what he said about Cam Newton below)...

"There is no disputing Mariota's potential as a franchise quarterback at the next level. ... he is the prototype of the position at the next level... the consummate dual-threat quarterback ... a game changer at the position...he could revolutionize the position in the NFL

...

I'm basing my opinion on the combination of mental, physical and athletic characteristics that Mariota has exhibited

...

(with) speed in the 4.4 range, he is a dynamic athlete capable of wreaking havoc on the perimeter. ... he has the explosiveness to score from anywhere on the field with the ball in his hands.... He has the ability to explode through cracks for big gains...he is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball... Most important, he acts like Houdini in the pocket, eluding defenders to make throws to the perimeter. ... Mariota shows excellent poise in the pocket. He has a knack for feeling defenders around him, as his eyes stay downfield ... he torments defenses with his ability to extend plays with his feet before finding an open receiver on ... Given his combination of improvisational skills and pocket poise, Mariota could be a nightmare to defend at the next level.

...

At 6-foot-4, 211 pounds... Mariota has the size to withstand the punishment from defenders when he elects to flee the pocket. ...

...

For all of the excitement generated by Mariota's athleticism and running skills, it has been his ability to make every throw in the book that has captivated NFL scouts. He easily throws the ball to every area of the field with superb zip and velocity. Additionally, Mariota is capable of changing the pace and trajectory of his throws to drop balls into tight areas.

...

Although some would suggest Mariota is a byproduct of the Ducks' explosive spread offensive system, I believe Mariota is a polished pocket passer with outstanding footwork and mechanics. He delivers crisp passes with zip and velocity, but also flashes a deft touch on anticipation throws at intermediate and deep range.

...

Mariota has superb football intelligence... The Ducks' offensive supremacy is seemingly system-driven until you take a close look at the performance of Mariota. ... He has a complete grasp of making checks and adjustments at the line... he consistently displays sound judgment in the Duck's offense that requires the quarterback to read multiple defenders in a nanosecond after the snap... His brilliant execution and his mastery of the offense make the Ducks nearly impossible to stop....there is nothing about Mariota's play on the field that suggests he'll be unable to make the (mental) transition at the next level."

compare to what he said about Cam and the other QBs in the 2011 class:

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada - "His transition from a Pistol offense is a concern, as is a quirky delivery that could prove problematic against much-quicker defenses in the NFL... he could be an ideal fallback plan on Day 2 of the draft. (Kaepernick ended up going #36 overall, the 6th QB taken in the draft)

Andy Dalton, TCU - His football intelligence has intrigued scouts and coaches looking for a franchise quarterback prospect not as highly touted. He lacks superior arm strength and is probably not a good fit for a vertical-passing team...He is a safe second round pick. (Dalton ended up going #35 overall, the 5th QB taken).

Christian Ponder, Florida State - He doesn't possess the strongest arm, which will limit his new team's play-calling...he is a safe second round pick (Ponder ended up going #12 overall, the 4th QB taken)

Jake Locker, Washington - His struggles with accuracy and pocket awareness have led to concerns about his ability to thrive as a pro. Even though he shows some promise as a passer on the perimeter due to his superior athleticism, his inability to function in the pocket makes it difficult for some teams to envision him as a franchise quarterback. ... his undisciplined footwork frequently results in errant throws ... his inability to play with proper balance or body control has hindered his effectiveness. He has struggled with his accuracy, and his disappointing completion percentage has raised red flags (Locker ended up going #8 overall, the 2nd QB taken after Cam).

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri - There are times on film when he just doesn't handle pressure well. ... Scouts also worry about his ability to transition into a pro-style system. ... the jury is still out on whether he can execute within a pro style system (Gabbert ended up going #10 overall, the 3rd QB taken after Cam and Locker)

Cam Newton, Auburn - Newton is the most electrifying player at the position... He has all the physical traits of a future star and deserves to be the top pick in the draft. ... he has the skill sets to be the face of an organization. ... he has a remarkable combination of size, speed and athleticism... He has all of the physical tools to be an elite quarterback.... As a passer, he shows arm strength and touch, and has solid mechanics for a young player. He gets the ball out of his hand quickly on short and intermediate throws, while also displaying good accuracy when going downfield. He has the ability to drop the ball in the bucket on deep sideline tosses. Even though he has struggled at times with his accuracy from the pocket and on the move, his issues are correctable and not viewed as long-term impediments to his potential. ... but scouts are split on his pro potential. His inexperience running a conventional offense could impact his ability to turn his potential into production.

...

For Gabbert and Newton, the transition from the spread l offense to a pro-style system will dominate the conversation. Both directed wide-open offenses that extensively featured the shotgun formation, and their inexperience working from under center could pose major issues down the road. Unlike taking direct snaps while facing the coverage, the process of executing conventional drops with play-action forces a quarterback to lose sight of the defense before finding his reads. Even though it seems like such a minor detail, this is a pivotal part of the drop-back game, and teams have to be convinced that Gabbert and Newton have the ability to operate in that kind of system.

(note when addressing the same 2011 QB Class, he also wrote: Debunking a myth. A "spread" QB will struggle in the NFL. Many teams are already using spread principles, and playing from the shotgun is more prevalent every year. There were more than 40 snaps out of the shotgun in the past two Super Bowls.)

 

and yet he has already injured his knee twice... nothing about mariota screams cam newton at all... Cam was running over defenders in college at the goaline, and was much bigger.. why wont they stick with the obvious comparison for Mariota which is Kaepernick.. what is the media trying to gain making such a dumb comparison 

[CamandWilson]

compare to what that same ex-NFL scout, Bucky Brooks, wrote on July 22, 2014 about Winston:

Jameis Winston misguided in Cam Newton comparison (Joe Flacco is better comparison)

...

After reading Jameis Winston's comments comparing his game to Cam Newton, I think the Heisman Trophy winner might be misguided in his comparison to the Carolina Panthers ' two-time Pro Bowler. While Winston is certainly a big, athletic quarterback with similar physical dimensions, his playing style is different from Newton's game. Whereas Newton was a run first playmaker at Auburn (he led the SEC with 1,473 rushing yards), Winston is a traditional drop-back passer who rarely flees the pocket.

He is at his best delivering pinpoint passes to open receivers following a five-step drop (three-step drop from shotgun) or quick play-action fakes. Winston thrives in Florida State's pro-style offense, which features a host of vertical passing concepts that are staples in NFL playbooks.

Newton played in an unorthodox spread offense that made it hard to project his NFL potential due to the simplistic reads and route concepts. Although he enjoyed immediate success as a rookie quarterback (Newton shattered NFL rookie records for passing yards and rushing touchdowns by a quarterback), the Panthers needed to overhaul their playbook to accommodate his skills; he is still learning how to play the game in a traditional manner from the pocket.

Thus, Winston would be wise to offer up a better comparison in the future. Looking at the Heisman Trophy winner's development over the past year, I believe Joe Flacco of the Baltimore Ravens is a more apt comparison. ... his game closely resembles the former Super Bowl MVP's play in the pocket. From the A-plus arm talent and long delivery to his footwork and sneaky athleticism, it's easy to see Winston developing like Flacco as a pro.

Most important, I can envision an NFL offensive coordinator building a scheme around Winston that closely resembles the Baltimore Ravens' system, particularly the version currently being installed by Gary Kubiak that features a host of play-action and bootleg passes on the perimeter.

 

Joe Flacco for Winston really... thats terrible

 

Winston is a Peyton Manning type of prospect with suspect character concerns at the very worst...

 

Winston is an advanced pocket passer with mobility... a Joe Flacco type of talent would be someone like a Zack Mettenberg who was taken last year by the Titans

 

[CamandWilson]

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2015/

 

any website that has Winston lower than a top 5 pick even with the character concerns is trolling, thats how rare, and dominant a prospect Winston is... , some team will trade up for him... Winston is a better prospect from a physical/ mesaureables standpoint than Clowney was