kalil on carolina's biggest flaw so far...

[CRA]

I posted this in another thread, but care to comment?

I hope it's just needing reps, but from what I can tell, Stewart seems to have lost some of the elusiveness/explosive ability that he had prior to the ankle and knee injuries.

Stewart is plenty elusive....I think people just forgot his style of elusiveness. Look at how many bodies he shed on Sunday. He probably shed more bodies than he had yards. That was tough work

When is the last time 28 had a hole to show you what speed/explosion he has in the tank.

[CRA]

CRA might get drunk in celebration when D.Will leaves lol

I don't dislike him. Good dude. We would be better off if everyone we drafted was in his mold.

Bulk of my beef has always be contracted oriented. Lately it has shifted to at 31 he is a bad fit behind our OL trying to shed tackles.

But he isn't anything special this late in his career. Isn't suppose to be. But people get their panties in a wad when how average he is now is pointed out and his weaknesses on a team with bad OL play

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't dislike him. Good dude. We would be better off if everyone we drafted was in his mold.

Bulk of my beef has always be contracted oriented. Lately it has shifted to at 31 he is a bad fit behind our OL trying to shed tackles.

But he isn't anything special this late in his career. Isn't suppose to be. But people get their panties in a wad when how average he is now is pointed out and his weaknesses on a team with bad OL play

 

Granted, we're only two games into the season, but...

 

DeAngelo Williams:  14 carries for 72 yards for 5.1 average

Jonathan Stewart:  24 carries for 57 yards for a 2.4 average and 22 of those 57 yards coming on one carry.  Take that away and he's averaging a yard and a half per carry for his other 23 runs.  Take way DeAngelo's longest run and he's still averaging 4.2 yards per carry.

 

 The data just doesn't support your claims.  But again, it's early and that could definitely change.

 

I agree that our RB contracts (Stewart's as well as Williams') are an issue, but that is what it is.  DeAngelo is probably gone as a post June 1st cut after this year.  Hell, maybe he'll retire.    Due to Stewart's contract, we'll probably have to carry him through next season, then make him a post June 1st cut after 2015.  No matter what, both of those contracts are going to have cap implications through 2017.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Lions DL isn't similar to the Tampa DL. Lions DL is better. Just bc they both sport a well known stud DT doesn't mean there front is equal

 

tampa's d line is missing someone like fairley and that's it, besides that they have a better overall d on paper then the lions

[CRA]

Granted, we're only two games into the season, but...

DeAngelo Williams: 14 carries for 72 yards for 5.1 average

Jonathan Stewart: 24 carries for 57 yards for a 2.4 average and 22 of those 57 yards coming on one carry. Take that away and he's averaging a yard and a half per carry for his other 23 runs. Take way DeAngelo's longest run and he's still averaging 4.2 yards per carry.

The data just doesn't support your claims. But again, it's early and that could definitely change.

I agree that our RB contracts (Stewart's as well as Williams') are an issue, but that is what it is. DeAngelo is probably gone as a post June 1st cut after this year. Hell, maybe he'll retire. Due to Stewart's contract, we'll probably have to carry him through next season, then make him a post June 1st cut after 2015. No matter what, both of those contracts are going to have cap implications through 2017.

The data doesn't support what? That at 31 Williams isn't a great fit running a power scheme behind garbage run blocking?

He has played in one game. One game where he essentially dedicated it to his mother. I'm glad he had a decent game. It meant a lot from several perspectives.

But I'm not arguing this one anymore. We saw last year what he was overall....and now at a year older we aren't going to see him getting better.

[CRA]

tampa's d line is missing someone like fairley and that's it, besides that they have a better overall d on paper then the lions

Tampa has a better DL than Det? Only a Tampa fan or someone desperately reaching for anything make 34 look better is gonna agree to that.

Tampa has the best overall player. Det easily then better overall DL

[UNCrules2187]

I'm willing to bet DeAngelo will rush for more yards and a better ypc average this season than Stewart will.

[yasuhara2241]

Those plays are to slow developing and our interior was letting guys run free that's probably why they didn't call very many.  I remember them specifically running a counter with stew and he was met in the backfield as soon as he got the ball

 

I remember that one too, but it was a complete missed assignment and then a whiff block from Turner. You are right that not many were called. The reverse to Philly Brown went for a good chunk of change if not for the holding on KB. And you are correct that the some of the slow developing plays were getting blown up but I think there were not a lot of creative running plays. I think the sprint counters where newton runs right and the back runs left would have been a good change up.  

[LinvilleGorge]

The data doesn't support what? That at 31 Williams isn't a great fit running a power scheme behind garbage run blocking?

He has played in one game. One game where he essentially dedicated it to his mother. I'm glad he had a decent game. It meant a lot from several perspectives.

But I'm not arguing this one anymore. We saw last year what he was overall....and now at a year older we aren't going to see him getting better.

 

The data doesn't support that Stewart is better and more suited to running behind our OL in our offense.

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm willing to bet DeAngelo will rush for more yards and a better ypc average this season than Stewart will.

 

Highly likely considering that if history is any indication he'll play in twice as many games.

 

I don't get the segment of our fanbase that hates on DeAngelo for his contract while constantly defending Stewart.  Stewart's contract is worse than Williams' and there's a lot more dead money left on his deal too.  DeAngelo has been the far more reliable player.  Neither are worth the money we're paying them, but we've gotten a lot more out of the money we've paid DeAngelo than we have out of the money we've paid Stewart.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Tampa has a better DL than Det? Only a Tampa fan or someone desperately reaching for anything make 34 look better is gonna agree to that.

Tampa has the best overall player. Det easily then better overall DL

 

are you that blind with hate, ANY that's right ANY Rb getting hit in the backfield is not a good fit for our scheme.....stew and tolbert might be able to break a tackle in the backfield but did you watch the game??? as soon as they did this they were swarmed by DET defenders......if we can't get any of our rb's to the second level it doesn't matter

 

Please inform me how a team with a spotty o line runs a power running scheme???

 

D will doesn't fit the scheme is an Excuse, D will is told Old is an Excuse, D will goes down on first contact is an Excuse

 

we've seen what both rb's can do with a o line.......be impartial that's all i ask

[CRA]

I'm willing to bet DeAngelo will rush for more yards and a better ypc average this season than Stewart will.

Both healthy?

I mean that throws a fair amount of logic out the window IMO. Too much focus on how stat sheet of a game looks.

28 was impressive against Det if you just looked at what he did with his chances. As Rivera said, he hasn't seen a run that impressive in a long time. 28 makes something out of nothing pretty consistantly......and if healthy that will make him the main RB over he course of the season

[UNCrules2187]

Both healthy?

I mean that throws a fair amount of logic out the window IMO. Too much focus on how stat sheet of a game looks.

28 was impressive against Det if you just looked at what he did with his chances. As Rivera said, he hasn't seen a run that impressive in a long time. 28 makes something out of nothing pretty consistantly......and if healthy that will make him the main RB over he course of the season

 

Yes, even if both stay relatively healthy (which I guess I'll arbitrarily define as both playing in at least 12 games), I still think DeAngelo puts up the better stats. I just think he's underrated and a better back than a post-injury Stewart is. I would love for Stew to prove me wrong and regain his pre-injury form, but until I see it with my eyes, I'm going to be skeptical.

[CRA]

are you that blind with hate, ANY that's right ANY Rb getting hit in the backfield is not a good fit for our scheme.....stew and tolbert might be able to break a tackle in the backfield but did you watch the game??? as soon as they did this they were swarmed by DET defenders......if we can't get any of our rb's to the second level it doesn't matter

Please inform me how a team with a spotty o line runs a power running scheme???

D will doesn't fit the scheme is an Excuse, D will is told Old is an Excuse, D will goes down on first contact is an Excuse

we've seen what both rb's can do with a o line.......be impartial that's all i ask

Certain runners can take on immediate contact better than others. Sure it isn't ideal....go watch Lynch a full game. He is very often met at the line.

So now we don't run a power run scheme under Schula? Since when?