kalil on carolina's biggest flaw so far...

[IamSoClutch]

You can teach pass blocking but it's hard to tech mauling strength. That's why I feel number 1 priority is a run blocking RT in the first round. We've proven we can teach any lineman to pass block. We just need muscle on the line.

Ps. better running plays like counters would help to

[CRA]

We actually could have really used DeAngelo for this game. He can string out runs moreso than Stewart and Tolbert, who tend to plow straight into the line. Unfortunately, that's where the Lions are at their strongest.

We should be able to get the run game untracked this week, as through two games, Pittsburgh looks like they have one of the worst run defenses in the league. They're giving up 170 rush yards per game and an even 5.0 yards per carry. Oakland is the worst, giving up 200 rush yards per game and the same 5.0 ypc average.

Williams would have had less yards . Did you not watch Stewart earn every little inch he got? Williams isn't built to deal with that slop

[Cpt slay a ho]

Williams would have had less yards . Did you not watch Stewart earn every little inch he got? Williams isn't built to deal with that slop

 

just stop.......

[UNCrules2187]

Williams would have had less yards . Did you not watch Stewart earn every little inch he got? Williams isn't built to deal with that slop

 

I think that's unfair to say. Williams fared better against the Bucs than Stewart did, and they are in the same mold as the Lions (although I do think the Lions line is much better). I think Williams is a more patient runner than Stewart and Tolbert - so yes, while this leads to losses, it also allows him to string out plays longer, wait for a hole to develop, and burst through if and when it does.

 

I know that people hate on DeAngelo because of the contract Hurney handed him. But aside from the contract, DeAngelo is an above average running back. I bet if he's healthy and plays Sunday, he will be more effective against the Steelers than Stewart. 

[CRA]

just stop.......

You need to stop.

Don't get your 34 panties in a bunch. That is an OL issue. Stewart was hammered and as Kalil said amazingly still found ways to go forward despite the bad OL play.

Williams isn't build for that and that isn't an insult. When I knock 34 I got no issue owning it....that wasn't a knock

[davos]

Happy they're acknowledging and looking to correct this.  We'e looked great but this has been weakness for a bit.  

[BigSyke]

should have used brown on jet sweeps more

[LinvilleGorge]

You can teach pass blocking but it's hard to tech mauling strength. That's why I feel number 1 priority is a run blocking RT in the first round. We've proven we can teach any lineman to pass block. We just need muscle on the line.

Ps. better running plays like counters would help to

 

Amini and Turner at OG are both maulers, so is Bell at LT.  The way I interpret what Kalil is saying is that guys are just flat out missing assignments.  That has nothing to do with strength or technique, it's just screwing up the play.

 

Just my thinking here, but I think that the coaching staff probably spent a lot of time working on pass protection with this group because on paper this OL should be better at run blocking than pass blocking.  It's possible they neglected the run blocking a bit to make sure they didn't get Cam killed.  I don't necessarily disagree with that line of thinking if that's what indeed happened.

[Cpt slay a ho]

You need to stop.

Don't get your 34 panties in a bunch. That is an OL issue. Stewart was hammered and as Kalil said amazingly still found ways to go forward despite the bad OL play.

Williams isn't build for that and that isn't an insult. When I knock 34 I got no issue owning it....that wasn't a knock

 

for one it's not remotely true that d will wouldn't have did better, again the lions d line is similar to the bucs.......

 

2. the oline has been the issue for some years now, but amazingly when Stewart starts getting smash in the backfield you guys remember that....but if it's d will there's a slew of excuses why he sucks

 

it's quite simple be impartial, but you can't do that

 

shula tried some outside runs that may have worked but tolbert and Stewart just don't have the burst

 

[CRA]

I think that's unfair to say. Williams fared better against the Bucs than Stewart did, and they are in the same mold as the Lions (although I do think the Lions line is much better). I think Williams is a more patient runner than Stewart and Tolbert - so yes, while this leads to losses, it also allows him to string out plays longer, wait for a hole to develop, and burst through if and when it does.

I know that people hate on DeAngelo because of the contract Hurney handed him. But aside from the contract, DeAngelo is an above average running back. I bet if he's healthy and plays Sunday, he will be more effective against the Steelers than Stewart.

The Tampa and Lions games were different. OL played better against Tampa and Tampa had less talent up on their DL.

Lions game was tough sledding and 28 does better in that. Sure, a weak D....Williams may be better as he does better if they can create space. But there is zero to back up Williams would have fared better in that slop than 28 Sunday

Also how above average RBs would you say are in the NFL? What is an example of an average RB? Name 2. Everyone has different criteria

[CRA]

for one it's not remotely true that d will wouldn't have did better, again the lions d line is similar to the bucs.......

2. the oline has been the issue for some years now, but amazingly when Stewart starts getting smash in the backfield you guys remember that....but if it's d will there's a slew of excuses why he sucks

it's quite simple be impartial, but you can't do that

shula tried some outside runs that may have worked but tolbert and Stewart just don't have the burst

Lions DL isn't similar to the Tampa DL. Lions DL is better. Just bc they both sport a well known stud DT doesn't mean there front is equal

[UNCrules2187]

The Tampa and Lions games were different. OL played better against Tampa and Tampa had less talent up on their DL.

Lions game was tough sledding and 28 does better in that. Sure, a weak D....Williams may be better as he does better if they can create space. But there is zero to back up Williams would have fared better in that slop than 28 Sunday

Also how above average RBs would you say are in the NFL? What is an example of an average RB? Name 2. Everyone has different criteria

 

I posted this in another thread, but care to comment?

 

I'm starting to get a little bit concerned about Stewart. He hasn't been very good since 2011 (basically when the injury issues starting actually affecting him during the season). Since 2011 (his last healthy season), his stats:

 

165 carries for 573 yards (3.47 ypc).

 

Compare that to DeAngelo (moreso the ypc than the absolute carries/yards):

 

388 carries for 1,652 yards (4.26 ypg)

 

Behind the same line, DeAngelo averages three quarters of a yard more per carry than Stewart. And this doesn't even mention the fact that DeAngelo has always offered more in the receiving game.

 

Still early and maybe Stewart just needs to get his sea legs under him after not having played a lot the past few years, so hopefully he can return to his pre-injury form (3,500 rush yards on 725 carries, 4.83 ypc).

 

 

I hope it's just needing reps, but from what I can tell, Stewart seems to have lost some of the elusiveness/explosive ability that he had prior to the ankle and knee injuries.

[beastson]

CRA might get drunk in celebration when D.Will leaves lol

[WhoAmI?]

Maybe we need to go to a more air-it-out scheme? You can still control the clock while passing. We have a premier QB, why not let him use his talents? I think (entering his prime) he can handle more workload. Just a thought.