PFT: NFL may suspend Hardy

[iamcline]

Bob Costas will have a self-righteous documentary on Domestic Violence, including taking shots at Greg Hardy, on Sunday Night Football when the Panthers play. His bleeding heart will spew garbage similar to his anti-gun tirade last year.

It's not going away.

 

It will go away.  Once more and more people get tired of hearing about it, it will lose more and more air time.  It's not going to just up and disappear but you can tell by reading comments on most sites that people are already bored with it dominating their usual news.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

When hardy is done with this case - he won't need to play another down in the NFL : I hope he gets good lawyers and not depend on the weak NFLPA.

Don't expect the NFLPA to do anything - this is the same organization that has running backs and offensive and defensive linemen under the same contract tier as wide receivers despite a difference in the way the wear and tear on their bodies.

The same NFLPA that can't set up a bank for their players that collectively would provide loans and protection from the hounds who want their every penny and of course they end up on ESPN broke or VH1 with some shitty reality show.

The same NFLPA that will sit there and let the Espn dictate the way the NFl handles lives of hardworking young men and have then discarded like they are nothing.

This is football a very very brutal game that wreaks havoc on the body of anyone who starts playing this game when young.

For anyone to honestly make it through high school , college and the NFl - there has got to be a screw loose somewhere.

That continuous intensity is not normal and holding the same players who depend on a whistle for their stop and go is well fools play.

NFL players are in a no win situation - the media glamorizes how much they make (and forget the crazy state to state taxes) and the fact that it's a contract and most of them will only see 20% of that money. Now monetary attention will attract every skank out there and when threatened - you will get a bee line of stories of hardy like situations.

 

If Hardy is suspended and then found not guilty in the jury trial he technically has legal recourse to sue in an effort to recoup lost wages and/or damages in reputation that result from the suspension on his record.  Hardy could do this on his own or the NFLPA might try to get into the fight just to have a position opposite the shield.

 

No matter what,  I dont know how probable it would be for him to get a dime out of the NFL.  There is precedent for suspensions without legal convictions and whats more,the NFL only needs to prove that there was some type of action(s) taken by Hardy that were in conflict with the NFL personal conduct policy.

 

That said, I am no lawyer but the mere mention of the word combination alcohol, guns and cocaine that surround this incident are probably enough to discount the merits of a civil lawsuit. 

 

[CRA]

The suspension would be retro-active. And the NFL does not need for you to be convicted to suspend, especially your own team (for conduct detrimental to the team , which is what this is).

I know he doesn't need a guilty verdict or a charge

My point is the league has changed their past practices pretty quickly and are reacting to media/public opinion stronger than ever.

Suspend Hardy for 5 games leading up to his court date.....and then what? Make it retroactive and that 1 added game isn't going to satisfy the new found outrage....

Seems like the NFL is making up stuff as they go and it will come to a point where they are faced with even more shuffling. That is the issue. There are no policies they are going by and following

[ed bell]

When hardy is done with this case - he won't need to play another down in the NFL : I hope he gets good lawyers and not depend on the weak NFLPA.

Don't expect the NFLPA to do anything - this is the same organization that has running backs and offensive and defensive linemen under the same contract tier as wide receivers despite a difference in the way the wear and tear on their bodies.

The same NFLPA that can't set up a bank for their players that collectively would provide loans and protection from the hounds who want their every penny and of course they end up on ESPN broke or VH1 with some shitty reality show.

The same NFLPA that will sit there and let the Espn dictate the way the NFl handles lives of hardworking young men and have then discarded like they are nothing.

This is football a very very brutal game that wreaks havoc on the body of anyone who starts playing this game when young.

For anyone to honestly make it through high school , college and the NFl - there has got to be a screw loose somewhere.

That continuous intensity is not normal and holding the same players who depend on a whistle for their stop and go is well fools play.

NFL players are in a no win situation - the media glamorizes how much they make (and forget the crazy state to state taxes) and the fact that it's a contract and most of them will only see 20% of that money. Now monetary attention will attract every skank out there and when threatened - you will get a bee line of stories of hardy like situations.

He certainly will have to play more football, are you kidding? 75% of all players go bankrupt eventually and between possibly losing over 4 million this year and watching his free agency potential earnings evaporate before his eyes, he could be in big financial trouble.

[Peppers90 NC]

Just suspend him for 6 games now and get it over with. I just don't want this to drag out and him have to be inactive and the games don't count towards a suspension.

He'll be back by midseason if he does his time now.

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the Panthers already started the process, so if it ended up being 6 games, he already served one.  at least thats how i hope it would count.

[TimTom]

the Panthers already started the process, so if it ended up being 6 games, he already served one.  at least thats how i hope it would count.

 

deactivation does not equal suspension.  joe webb gets deactivated. foucault gets deactivated.  the nfl won't give brownie points in this one.  they are out for blood because espn and hannah storm's tears are baked into the minds of the public.  they HATE greg hardy.  he is an animal to them.  he will get no leniency if they do come down on him.  i hope they don't railroad greg for the sake of keeping some shred of dignity and respectability.

 

edit: and this is why.

 

https://twitter.com/RealPaulCortese/status/511902356259500032

 

these people.  these people are driving their ratings and what's trending.

[CRA]

If Hardy is suspended and then found not guilty in the jury trial he technically has legal recourse to sue in an effort to recoup lost wages and/or damages in reputation that result from the suspension on his record. Hardy could do this on his own or the NFLPA might try to get into the fight just to have a position opposite the shield.

No matter what, I dont know how probable it would be for him to get a dime out of the NFL. There is precedent for suspensions without legal convictions and whats more,the NFL only needs to prove that there was some type of action(s) taken by Hardy that were in conflict with the NFL personal conduct policy.

That said, I am no lawyer but the mere mention of the word combination alcohol, guns and cocaine that surround this incident are probably enough to discount the merits of a civil lawsuit.

NFL can say disciplined under the same grounds they did Big Ben.

[Jmac]

Monday February 3rd, will he the last possible day we will have to deal with this bullcrap anymore. After that it will be someone elses problem. What ever happens from this point on, on will happen.

[ed bell]

NFL can say disciplined under the same grounds they did Big Ben.

Big Ben was having problems with multiple allegations at the time. If it was the only allegation and his first time I don't think he would have been suspended at all.

[CRA]

Big Ben was having problems with multiple allegations at the time. If it was the only allegation and his first time I don't think he would have been suspended at all.

Doesn't change anything. They can discipline Hardy under the same policy and reasoning.

[greghardy'sAK-47]

the NFL is investigating itself for incompetence, dishonesty, the list goes on and on.  now they think they can make up the rules as they go and expect to not get sued.  they need to have an all out overhaul in their disciplinary procedures.  the league officials getting together one weekend, behind closed doors, and deciding how the league is going to do things is no longer going to fly.  

 

nobody even truly knows what the suspensions are for some of this stuff or what procedures to follow.  you have teams deactivating their players and then reactivating like they don't know what the fug to do.  the nfl needs a full reboot before they can even begin to get credibility back.  

 

 

[Happy Panther]

Depends on what the CBA says. I thought there was something in there about double jeopardy that would have affected Ray Rice's resuspension but apparently not. In which case I don't think the NFLPA would have much to stand on as far as Hardy. Maybe arbitration.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ray-rice-lawsuit-nfl-citing-double-jeopardy-article-1.1939743

 

Looks like I may be right after all. Rice is considering suing over double jeopardy.

[Ruff]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ray-rice-lawsuit-nfl-citing-double-jeopardy-article-1.1939743

Looks like I may be right after all. Rice is considering suing over double jeopardy.

He has a legitimate case, too. Just because goodell fuged up and didn't suspend him for the correct amount doesn't mean he can suspend him again willy-nilly, without some sort of ramification.

In surprised the Union hasn't done more to speak out. They've been relatively quiet and their players are under fire. That's what is surprising. Maybe Smith is afraid of Goodell.

[Happy Panther]

He has a legitimate case, too. Just because goodell fuged up and didn't suspend him for the correct amount doesn't mean he can suspend him again willy-nilly, without some sort of ramification.

 

As long as the CBA covers it, yeah. Which it does but is apparently poorly written and vague:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/09/11/ray-rice-discipline-brings-to-light-poorly-drafted-nfl-collective-bargaining-agreement/

 

 

Importantly, neither the NFL Personal Conduct Policy nor the NFL CBA explicitly bar the NFL Commissioner from changing the length of a suspension based on a wrongful act committed by a player.  Sports Illustrated legal commentator Michael McCann has written that ”Article 46 expresses that the NFL cannot punish a player twice for the same conduct or act.”  However, that belief is based on ambiguous phrasing at best.  If McCann is reviewing the One Penalty Rule, then he is incorporating language into the rule that does not overtly exist.  The One Penalty Rule, in its entirety, states as follows,

 

Section 4. One Penalty: The Commissioner and a Club will not both discipline a player for the same act or conduct.  The Commissioner’s disciplinary action will preclude or supersede disciplinary action by any Club for the same act or conduct.