Cut or Keep Greg Hardy

[Pox 08]

I think the female mind works like that.  Some of them think they deserve it.  I know my mom was stuck way too long in one of those and we did finally end up staying in a battered woman's shelter.  I think it has to do with the self esteem and feeling of not being good enough that makes woman do that.  Most women in those situations had prior marriages or relationships that didn't work.  In essence they're scared of being alone and think of themselves as damaged good so they're just holding on to something bad because it's better then being alone.

 

And whether you feel bad for her or not.....Ray Rice was wrong.

 

 

I know where you are coming from brother.  It is a self esteem thing...and for some,  there is no changing that image that they have developed for themselves.   I just know my white knight days are long over after being thrown under the bus a few times.

 

 

and heck yeah..  Rice was wrong.   I saw the video,  my stomach turned...  I may not feel bad for that girl,  because she up and married him after the nation knew he knocked her out and was condemning him.....  I do feel bad for that girl's family.   She may not want or need help,  but her family are the ones that have to sit back and watch as their girl is treated like that.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Yeah I might be caught in the moment to a degree.

Like I said in what you quoted: Im all for giving Hardy a fair shake if the evidence is mucky.

However if there's more known by the organization and it's really bad I'll be greatly disappointed.

I think the rice case was that team and that league trying to brush this under the rug business as usual but there was a huge public backlash and they just wanted this to go away it didn't and the video came to light

I think Hardy's case is completely different. Everyone is waiting to see how this plays out and I'm not sure there is much real evidence that shows he beat her. Even if he did hurt her it's no where near the level of rice

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[cbarrier90]

In terms of severity from a societal stand point, I'd have to say the Williams case takes the cake.  Promoting players to injure others?  That can ruin careers and 31 NFL rosters were his target.  That's a lot of careers to threaten.  A lot of people's means of financially supporting themselves and their family.

 

Once again, being clear I don't condone Rice's actions.

 

This is incorrect. You're talking about an inherently violent sport played predominantly by the male population in a professional league where the odds of making it to that level for anyone who plays the sport are one in a million. It was a big deal only because we hadn't seen a system like this in professional football be uncovered and certainly didn't expect to see it in the modern NFL.

 

With Ray Rice, we are talking about domestic abuse, something that directly affects a far greater number of people in this country, male and female. We're talking about a man striking a woman unprovoked, and, bigger picture, we're talking about the ignorance of the impact of domestic abuse as demonstrated by some very powerful people.

[Frizzy350]

Ultimately, we all want to see what's best for us as fans so we are going to naturally take Hardy's side, but it is troubling to scan through this board and see comments accusing the victim of fabricating a story to extort Greg. You'll recall Ravens fans giving Rice standing ovations  in camp when this all started because he was a nice person and a good upstanding member of the community.

 

I agree, Hardy should be given the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean we should be accosting the victim. There's a very real possibility that what the victim suggests happened actually did transpire.

 I meant to say innocent in the quoted post above, not guilty.  I edited, oopsie.

 

I'm not accusing the victim of fabricating a story.  I do wonder what she does for a living and what she plans on doing to become a beneficial member of society.  Then again, Greg plays a game for a living which really isn't important in the grand scheme.

 

Speaking of victims fabricating stories for extortion though, remember when Beason broke that guy's jaw?  You can't rule that possibility out, but you can't rule out Holder's story either.  The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of both stories, it's really a matter of balancing damage assessment with punishment.

 

I have nothing vested in Greg, he's a good player but I'm almost positive he won't be here next year.

[TheMaulClaw]

Ultimately, we all want to see what's best for us as fans so we are going to naturally take Hardy's side, but it is troubling to scan through this board and see comments accusing the victim of fabricating a story to extort Greg. You'll recall Ravens fans giving Rice standing ovations  in camp when this all started because he was a nice person and a good upstanding member of the community.

 

I agree, Hardy should be given the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean we should be accosting the victim. There's a very real possibility that what the victim suggests happened actually did transpire.

 

Interesting article.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/culture-of-blaming-the-victim-is-root-cause-of-failure-for-nfl--ravens-in-ray-rice-case-220237076.html

[Frizzy350]

This is incorrect. You're talking about an inherently violent sport played predominantly by the male population in a professional league where the odds of making it to that level for anyone who plays the sport are one in a million. It was a big deal only because we hadn't seen a system like this in professional football be uncovered and certainly didn't expect to see it in the modern NFL.

 

With Ray Rice, we are talking about domestic abuse, something that directly affects a far greater number of people in this country, male and female. We're talking about a man striking a woman unprovoked, and, bigger picture, we're talking about the ignorance of the impact of domestic abuse as demonstrated by some very powerful people.

 

The NFL (along with all other professional sports) has been covering up and allowing players to get away with domestic abuse.  It's about time they got caught with their pants down.  Sure powerful people in the world of sports have been ignoring this issue as best they can, but in the real world it is taken extremely seriously and has extreme consequences.  Awareness has grown astronomically over the past two decades.

 

Nothing forces you to stay in an abusive relationship.  With low cost modern technology there is no reason you can't get out. You can't save people who don't want to be saved. Like I stated before, let's just monitor all activity in all homes until we decide a woman needs to be saved.

 

I don't know why the odds of making it in pro football matter.  Numbers do seem off though.  Theres about 300 million people in the US, and there are certainly more than 300 pro football players.  Destroying the source of income for dozens of families because you don't want to play fair is a far more heinous crime than punching anyone.  You don't need NFL money to eat and have a home, but you certainly need more than a minimum wage job (and who knows what the medical bills will look like from long term effects from injuries).

 

Nothing changes the fact that this is an isolated incident.involving two people.  It actually kind of sucks, now Ray AND Janay have no method of supporting themselves and their family.

[Frizzy350]

I said a woman shouldn't have to do that if she wants to get out of a relationship.  How do you connect government surveillance to that? 

 

She might have too....but she shouldn't have too.

 

That was my solution.  You don't want her to go through all the incredible lengths of plugging in a video camera and bringing it to the police.

 

What is your ultimate solution to stop this if it isn't mass surveillance?  Genetically engineering males void of all forms of aggression?  Mind control serum?  Maybe not getting too heavily involved with someone who shows signs of abuse?

 

Sometimes people are given a bad hand in life.  Doesn't matter if it's related to domestic abuse or any other shitty situation.  Do your best to avoid shitty situations, and if you still get in one do what you can to get out.

 

I mean people shouldn't be mugged or killed by drunk drivers.  Bad things will exist so long as life does, it's part of it.

[Zithers]

i really dont think what greg supposedly did is as bad as what ray rice did

 

it isnt like he knocked his bitch unconscious or even punched her (unlike rice). she's just saying he pinned her in a bathtub and also onto a loaded pile of guns (right) and said he'd kill her. which he hasn't done.

 

there also isn't a video (unlike rice)

and greg hardy is really good (unlike rice)

and he's gone after this year anyway (unlike rice - well, before the video was released)

 

not to mention a trial won't even happen until after the season so no one will know more details at all until then

[Matthias]

Ultimately, we all want to see what's best for us as fans so we are going to naturally take Hardy's side, but it is troubling to scan through this board and see comments accusing the victim of fabricating a story to extort Greg. You'll recall Ravens fans giving Rice standing ovations  in camp when this all started because he was a nice person and a good upstanding member of the community.

 

I agree, Hardy should be given the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean we should be accosting the victim. There's a very real possibility that what the victim suggests happened actually did transpire.

 

Holder's story just isn't consistent with reality.  As many have said, if Hardy did what she accused him of doing, she wouldn't just have light bruising on her arms.  It seems like I'm in the twilight zone each time I hear Adam Schefter speak about Greg Hardy.  Anyone who followed that court case, should in no way take the judge's verdict seriously at all.

 

Ultimately this is not a defense on Greg Hardy.  Anytime you hear a story about a sports star being arrested for something, much less domestic violence, I'm more than likely will take the alleged victim's side at first.  Especially when the player is big, and every football player is big.  Yet with this, it's not consistent with reality.  I mean have Nelly even confirmed he ever knew Holder like that?  The whole story is more consistent with her coke habit than reality.  Without any hard evidence, you can't seriously convict Hardy on that story alone.  

[Kelbin Venjamin]

I hope and pray that Greg Hardy learns well from what is turning out to be an expensive education. You must be careful who you let into your world. This goes especially true when you are a young rising celebrity athlete who is on the verge of a big payday. I just get the feeling that that neither Greg for reasons which shaped him in his life, nor this woman are particularly stable emotionally. They happened to meet, got into what for Greg was more a sexual fling than a true love affair, and perhaps Greg was not viewing the relationship the way she wanted it to go so she struck back in a way which would fix his ass...but good. That is just my gut feeling.

[AceBoogie]

Courts didn't get anything wrong. Rice's fiancee dropped all the charges. Think what you want of her, but the reality of that situation is between him and her. If she needs help, feels threatened, wanted to leave him, sue the poo out of him, etc she could have and in the future will be able to. Don't know why everyone thinks it's their job to stick their nose in everyone else's poo.

Even if Hardy is convicted it is nowhere near on the scale of what Rice did. Sure there was a struggle, some roughness and threats, but he didn't knock her out cold.

I don't understand why people are surprised by the video. The first video from outside the elevator of him dragging her around unconscious surfaced months ago. It was declared she was knocked out cold by Rice (and I believe that was confirmed by both parties in court). I don't know why the video changes anything. Is it because most people are too small minded to read words and create images from that? They need a freaking video to show exactly what everyone knew?

Regardless, there is no video for the Hardy incident. Even if some footage of something exists, we know the incident took place throughout different rooms and it is unlikely the whole story would be told (unless you clearly see Greg striking her).

I think it's because we were led to believe there was a physical altercation between the two, and Ray Rice acted in self defense to a degree. At least I know that's what I thought, especially since both of them got arrested. I thought she was going ape poo on him in the elevator, and he just freaked out and hit her. Hell, she didn't touch the man. There was 0 reason to hit her, and it came across as him being the stereotypical woman beater trying to "put his woman in her place". It shocked me, I believed the video coming out would have helped him. Boy was I wrong. Unless there is other footage of another altercation between the two, I don't understand how in the hell she got arrested.

[MadHatter]

I believe that the decision has already been made by tge organization that this us Gardy's last season with us.

No extension yet for him....just restructured CJ...drafted Ealy in the 2nd...Hardy wanting a mega deal...Hardy was always a bit if a loose cannon....this charge is just the icing on the cake.

He is gone after this season....and Voth has said as much too.

[CarolinaNut]

does anyone know when Hardy's Jury Trial is supposed to take place?

[Jmac]

Also Rice might have lied to the Ravens and the NFL.Possibly saying that he was pushing her off him and she fell and hit her head .Once the video appeared then the crap hit the fan.Hardy case he said/she said with no video proof.But Smart phones with cameras everywhere,so who knows what is out there still to raise it's ugly head