Cut or Keep Greg Hardy

[CPcavedweller]

Panthers would be wise to be proactive. Some things are bigger then football. I also know there are crazy women out there looking to extort players. What evidence are the Panthers aware of in the Greg Hardy case? How does it differ from Ray Rice's case? What we've learned from the Rice case is that sometimes the legal system doesn't get it right so teams shouldn't only use the results of the courts to make decisions. Hopefully the Panthers decide to conduct a further investigation aside from the results in the courts. This would allow us to avoid a future PR nightmare and distraction to the team. The truth is, the media is getting ready to hone in on the Hardy case.

If the Panthers know the details of the Hardy case (and the details end up being really bad) and are just trying to keep it quiet until the legalities play out don't they still have a responsibility ultimately to set an example for the community and do the right thing?

I'm all for for giving Greg a fair shake if the evidence is mucky. However if there's clear cut evidence that hasn't been made public the Panthers shouldn't waste any time parting ways.

Watching that video struck a chord for me because I grew up in a home that featured an abusive stepfather. I watched that video and it made me think back about some sour memories of what happened to my mother when I was young. I simply can't support a cover up for the sake of football and I'd like to think the Panthers hold themselves to a high moral code.

I really hope that Greg didn't act to the same extent as Ray Rice.....but if he did he just has to go.

You should never share your bias and then expect to have others say you make a valid point(which you do). But for the sake of subjective argumentation you just ruined any subsequent thoughts you may have.

[TheMaulClaw]

You should never share your bias and then expect to have others say you make a valid point(which you do). But for the sake of subjective argumentation you just ruined any subsequent thoughts you may have.

 

Ok.....there was no bias. 

 

I simply said if the Panthers are aware of more damning evidence on Hardy then what's been released then he needs to go.  If the evidence is mucky/murky then the Panthers are taking the wise strategy now (which it seems to be). 

 

I think you attached more bias then there was.

 

Greg is one of my favorite players.  I'm not looking to condemn him before the trials has happened.  I just want the Panthers to do their due diligence and avoid a massive team distraction.

 

I titled the thread the way I did to stimulate conversation, and it worked.

[frash.exe]

So, if man vs woman isn't a fair fight, what about man vs. car? I'm looking at you, donte stallworth and marshawn lynch.

I've always thought that societal stigma against crimes on women are a remnant of the times when women were viewed as property.

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It's one of those hot button media issues that everybody seems to outrage over other atrocities that nobody really cares about. Yes, the outrage over the fact that the NFL has dropped the ball when it comes to obvious cases of domestic abuse is correct, but people are going overboard making broad assumptions over it. I just saw on Facebook a girl complaining that "while it's great that Ray Rice is getting his comeuppance, it's only because he's black. Meanwhile Ben Roethlisberger rape charges something something". I truly think it's at least as bad when an adult woman is abusing a minor or child, but meanwhile, nobody gives two shits about Hope Solo abusing her sister and nephew, and this is where the cognitive disconnect becomes apparent. Ok, I think it's wrong to abuse someone who is comparatively helpless, and that starts with my low opinion of violent people, but do others who are talking about Ray Rice's situation agree for the same reasons or are they, like Cat said, just parroting something that was told to them over and over again? Half of the "NO! IT'S RONG! IF YOU DONT OUTRAGE OVER THIS AND HAVE A ONE SIDED CONVO WITH ME THEN YOU ARE MRA" crowd couldn't explain why they know it's wrong. The other half are just arguing with an invisible man.

TL; DR i notice a lot of people outraging over this only give a fug about domestic violence when a woman is the victim, but don't have the principles to speak up in other cases.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

if that video had been me getting up in ray rice's face and slapping him and wagging my finger and getting knocked the fug out everyone would be saying poo like LOL THAT fuging DUMBASS DESERVED IT

 

and they would be right

[Davidson Deac II]

The trial will be delayed until after football season.  I do wonder if the Panthers will wait until the results of the trial before they decide what to do.  They could let him go after the season is over, which would free up some cap space and avoid having to deal with the headaches. That is probably what I would do, especially with Cam's big contract coming up. 

[ed bell]

You want an example of rampant domestic violence with no real public outrage? Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Tub of Goo]

I like the point. I think men abusing women just gets the most attention since it covers all demographics. It's like all the men in the public eye (in this case NFL analysts) want to make sure everyone, especially women, know how atrocious this really is. And all the women are wtf this man needs to be punished. Kind of polarizes the situation.

Same sex violence only involves 1 demographic so men aren't really going to comment on Hope Solo as much, and women don't give 2 poos on man on man violence (generally). It's just less polarizing or less parties are involved so to speak, leading to less attention which is a shame, because a defenseless person is a defenseless person period.

[frash.exe]

The only time people outrage over women abusing someone is when the victim is so comparatively defenseless that it is considered a precious, fragile living thing, as is the case with Casey Anthony, who can't even walk around in public and hold her head up undisguised without being publicly eviscerated by common folk

[scpanther22]

You want an example of rampant domestic violence with no real public outrage? Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

Plenty of people hate Mayweather but what can they really do to him? Like it or not he basically is boxing right now.

[CatTower]

For those that are arguing  that it was obvious what Ray Rice did.  I will disagree and the reason is simple.  The woman could have been very drunk where a simple shove could of caused a blackout.  The people at the hotel even assumed that she was drunk when approached at the elevator.  Ray Rice also gets the benefit of the doubt because up to this point he hasn't done anything to make you think otherwise.

 

When the video released, the entire situation changed.  This was not a very drunk woman collapsing from alcohol.  This was a brutal knockout resulting from a punch. 

 

In relation to Greg Hardy, the two situations are vastly different.  There is no video that I know of.  In fact, the only evidence is Greg Hardy calling 911 and the marks on the woman.  It would be unwise to speculate any further.

 

 

[WOW!!]

Ok.....there was no bias.

I simply said if the Panthers are aware of more damning evidence on Hardy then what's been released then he needs to go. If the evidence is mucky/murky then the Panthers are taking the wise strategy now (which it seems to be).

I think you attached more bias then there was.

Greg is one of my favorite players. I'm not looking to condemn him before the trials has happened. I just want the Panthers to do their due diligence and avoid a massive team distraction.

I titled the thread the way I did to stimulate conversation, and it worked.

You're making a valid point because Jerry got Chris Terry out of here quick after he had the facts in his situation.

[Jmac]

If you saw some of the 250 lb woman over in Canton with the tats, hair pulled back, ,horn rimmed glasses, and a smoke tangling.....you would know what "cruisin for a brusin" means.Funny thing is their men weigh 130 lbs soaking wet.

[DangerClose]

This mob-mentality, rush to judgment crap needs to stop. Let a jury of his peers review the evidence. If he is found guilty, then act. Until then, everyone chill and let due process take its course. (Not defending any alleged actions here, but we have a court system for a reason.)

[PandaPancake]

Plenty of people hate Mayweather but what can they really do to him? Like it or not he basically is boxing right now.

He's the only name in boxing I know right now. Unless Foreman is still boxing for charity