Mandel: Panther D is "Super Bowl quality"

[TheRumGone]

You'll find anyway you can to spend my post in a negative way everytime won't you. I knew as seem as I saw you posted that you quoted my post with some type of spin.

Well tbf you've poo posted a lot

[iamhubby1]

I'll have to see our defense live up to the expectations of being great. Hopefully they can deliver.

Why do you have to start with the negative? Is there any reason why we shouldn't be just as good, or better, than last year? These guys come to work every day, working their azzes off trying to improve. These guys are not your old Panthers D. They have their own agenda. Being one of the best Ds in the game.

Yeah, we will probably just sit on our laurels and just hope our reputation will scare other teams. Is that really what you expect?

 

 

Defense needs Cam saving the O to be elite again....IMO. Cam made the O work....and the O and ST gave our D the opportunity to be elite.

This just doesn't make any sense to me. Our D is elite because we have talent. Not because our O makes their job easier. By the way. How does an O make a D better? We have depth, so saying the O keeps them fresh is not a factor.

Our front 4, plus rotation, is what makes our D go. We have plenty of quality guys to stay fresh. The O has no bearing on that.

 

 

But the D doesn't function in a vacuum.

If Cam isn't Cam the O implodes....D plays heavy reps. Heavy reps makes them more vulnerable. Bc if the front wear down we have one of the weaker secondary units left to fend for themselves

But...we do have a great D-line. So...our secondary is not left to fend for themselves. This train of thought is, well, off track.

 

 

I didn't say ours wasn't. This defense has been trending up for sometime now, but last year was the only year they could be called elite. Now they have to play with the pressure of being known as a top defense, nobody is sleeping on them and teams will bring their A game. They can't just wake up on Sunday and think teams are going to lay down for them, quite the opposite. This is a team that thrives off being disrespected, this defense is well respected.

Sorry, but "This team" doesn't care what folks think of them. They work hard to make you know what they are going to do to you. They know they are good, because they work their azzes off to be good/great.

[iamhubby1]

Well tbf you've poo posted a lot

TBH, I don't think he is a poo poster. I believe he thinks he is a realist. He just lives in fear of the past. Which won't allow him to see what this team has become.

Fear of the past. It's a hellofa drug.

[CRA]

Why do you have to start with the negative? Is there any reason why we shouldn't be just as good, or better, than last year? These guys come to work every day, working their azzes off trying to improve. These guys are not your old Panthers D. They have their own agenda. Being one of the best Ds in the game.

Yeah, we will probably just sit on our laurels and just hope our reputation will scare other teams. Is that really what you expect?

This just doesn't make any sense to me. Our D is elite because we have talent. Not because our O makes their job easier. By the way. How does an O make a D better? We have depth, so saying the O keeps them fresh is not a factor.

Our front 4, plus rotation, is what makes our D go. We have plenty of quality guys to stay fresh. The O has no bearing on that.

But...we do have a great D-line. So...our secondary is not left to fend for themselves. This train of thought is, well, off track.

Sorry, but "This team" doesn't care what folks think of them. They work hard to make you know what they are going to do to you. They know they are good, because they work their azzes off to be good/great.

It doesn't make sense that an offense plays into how good a defense can be?

Our D last season played with good field position and didn't spent lots of time on the field.....that was thanks to our O and ST.

A BAD offense doesn't stay on the field and often puts the D in bad field position......that means the D doesn't stay as fresh and plays with poor field position.

Poor offense and ST increases the likelyhood your D gives up points and yards vs efficient ones (like we had last year). That is very basic football.

If our O was turning the ball over and going 3 and out......we wouldn't of been the 2nd ranked D across the board last year

[CatMan72]

Losing Mitchell is going to sting some, because he was such an attitude guy. Hopefully, someone in the secondary can step up and be that guy.

Harper was brought in for this very reason.

[iamhubby1]

It doesn't make sense that an offense plays into how good a defense can be?

Our D last season played with good field position and didn't spent lots of time on the field.....that was thanks to our O and ST.

A BAD offense doesn't stay on the field and often puts the D in bad field position......that means the D doesn't stay as fresh and plays with poor field position.

Poor offense and ST increases the likelyhood your D gives up points and yards vs efficient ones (like we had last year). That is very basic football.

If our O was turning the ball over and going 3 and out......we wouldn't of been the 2nd ranked D across the board last year

You can downplay how good our D is all you want. Personally, a great D, is a great D. Plus, our RedZone D saved our butts quite a few times.

Sometimes you get these ideas and run with them. This is one of those times. Our O has no bearing on how great our D is. Our D is great because we have talent at all the right positions. Not because our O is effective.

[Ruff]

Harper was brought in for this very reason.

I know, and I understand with that. We haven't seen Harper enough yet to see if he will be the guy. I hope so, because Mitchell's attitude was the best part (and sometimes worst part) of his game.

[Who Said What?]

We have two top tier defensive ends and arguably a top five DT. Not to mention the best LB in the NFL and another top 15 one. Our front 7 is the best in the NFL with San Francisco being the only team close to having one as good as ours. As long as our secondary is respectable we will have another top 3 defense.

 

We also added two former pro bowlers at safety.  Decoud played behind an extraordinarily weak front seven last year.  Harper will look decent and won't ever be way out of position.  With Cason and White being a year better, we are going to take another step.

[CRA]

You can downplay how good our D is all you want. Personally, a great D, is a great D. Plus, our RedZone D saved our butts quite a few times.

Sometimes you get these ideas and run with them. This is one of those times. Our O has no bearing on how great our D is. Our D is great because we have talent at all the right positions. Not because our O is effective.

No one is downplaying the D.

Football is a team sport. Not sure why people don't want to credit the O and ST for there role in it all.

[iamhubby1]

No one is downplaying the D.

Football is a team sport. Not sure why people don't want to credit the O and ST for there role in it all.

There is a big difference between giving the O and STs their due. And claiming the D would not be nearly as good without them.

How about this? Because our D is do good, it takes the pressure off the O and ST.

[jfo89]

But the D doesn't function in a vacuum.

If Cam isn't Cam the O implodes....D plays heavy reps. Heavy reps makes them more vulnerable. Bc if the front wear down we have one of the weaker secondary units left to fend for themselves

We have such a strong D-line rotation though, that it's going to take a lot more to wear our defense down than the average team.

[jfo89]

No one is downplaying the D.

Football is a team sport. Not sure why people don't want to credit the O and ST for there role in it all.

I do agree with you on this though. If the offense and special teams doesn't play well, it's going to be much harder for our defense to play at the level that they're capable of.

[CRA]

There is a big difference between giving the O and STs their due. And claiming the D would not be nearly as good without them.

How about this? Because our D is do good, it takes the pressure off the O and ST.

A defense will be statically better with a top 10 efficient O vs a bottom 10. We were top 10 last year.....that aided us a noteworthy amount in achieving that #2 rank. We were top 10 in a yards, points, and least TO per drive.

It all plays together....team sport.

[iamhubby1]

A defense will be statically better with a top 10 efficient O vs a bottom 10. We were top 10 last year.....that aided us a noteworthy amount in achieving that #2 rank. We were top 10 in a yards, points, and least TO per drive.

It all plays together....team sport.

Yes it is a team sport. Something you are arguing against. Not sure what you are trying to say.

If our D was middle of the road, I may agree with you that it could make a difference. They could use the rest. However, our D is top shelf. They are deep, and talented. They have rotations keeping them fresh.

And saying our D would be worse with a worse O is just opinion. A great D is a great D. No matter what type of O you have. I don't expect you to agree, cuz that would mean you would have to give our D some credit.