Gerald McCoy Best DT in NFL?

[BigSombrero]

I wonder how often a guy like McCoy feels wasted on a middling defense and whether they wish they could play on a Carolina or Seattle defense and really dominate. It has to be tough to do your job really well compensating for others who are mediocre at best.

He is never going to say it out loud and will support his team but it doesn't mean he doesn't think about what could have been.

Ahh I see. Like Fitz or Andre Johnson. Well Mccoys situation differs in a few ways. One, he's still young, plenty of time for the team to right the ship. Two, he grew up a Buccaneer fan so he probably enjoys the chance to be a part of a possible revival. Three, while I'm sure plenty of players want to win and I know GMC is one of them, it's probably nice to get the huge contract he's about to get as well.

[panthers55]

Ahh I see. Like Fitz or Andre Johnson. Well Mccoys situation differs in a few ways. One, he's still young, plenty of time for the team to right the ship. Two, he grew up a Buccaneer fan so he probably enjoys the chance to be a part of a possible revival. Three, while I'm sure plenty of players want to win and I know GMC is one of them, it's probably nice to get the huge contract he's about to get as well.

Most guys will stay if the money is big enough. It reminds me of Charles Johnson in 2011. We stayed here only because he got a poo load of money. Then again he stayed the course and was part of the turnaround. I am sure he wants the same thing but while the Panthers are investing heavily on defense Tampa is doing the same on the offense.

[BigSombrero]

Most guys will stay if the money is big enough. It reminds me of Charles Johnson in 2011. We stayed here only because he got a poo load of money. Then again he stayed the course and was part of the turnaround. I am sure he wants the same thing but while the Panthers are investing heavily on defense Tampa is doing the same on the offense.

GMC is still on his rookie contract which was pre New CBA. His contract figure won't raise much at all and he'd still be the highest paid dt in the league. We haven't got much money tied up long term on offense either. Mankins and V Jax are the only players I would consider getting paid handsomely. McCoy is already the highest paid player on the team with 100 mil over six years.

[panthers55]

GMC is still on his rookie contract which was pre New CBA. His contract figure won't raise much at all and he'd still be the highest paid dt in the league. We haven't got much money tied up long term on offense either. Mankins and V Jax are the only players I would consider getting paid handsomely. McCoy is already the highest paid player on the team with 100 mil over six years.

Didn't know he was already making Charles Johnson money. He better dominate to be worth over 16 million a year. It makes both Star and Short incredible deals. I really like the rookie cap.

[BigSombrero]

Didn't know he was already making Charles Johnson money. He better dominate to be worth over 16 million a year. It makes both Star and Short incredible deals. I really like the rookie cap.

Yeah the new deal is nice in that aspect. But I have no problem with the team paying a guy with that talent, and more importantly, that drive/attitude that kind of scratch. He's been open about how non-stop he's been going all off-season. It showed in the preseason being pretty much unblockable. Hopefully it carries over into the regular season.

[Guest JonKitna]

Well, I know a little something about football *wink wink* and I'd have to agree with that majority of posters in here. The 43 defense and it's outside linebackers play a completely different position than the 3 technique in a 34 defense. There's much more coverage involved with their decision making and how they cover things like hitch routes down the field or flat routes. Things like that.

[TheMaulClaw]

Wasn't anything troll about what I posted.

Can Star be better? Anything is possible but I don't see anything that would suggest that. Gerald McCoy is the best 3 tech for many reasons but there is one that sets him apart from all competition. Yeah he has great technique. He has a great work ethic. A great combination of size and speed and the ability to use both effectively on the field. But the one thing that sets him apart more than anything is his first step. Pay attention Sunday and you will see a guy engaging before any other linemen, offensively or defensively even move almost. That kind of first step gives a guy the ability to dominate a single block and even shed double teams like he does. Again, Star is a good player but no one in their right mind would even attempt to compare the two.

 

I think McCoy can disappear at times man.  One thing about Star he's a steady presence every time he's on the field.  There hasn't been a single game where I've watched him line up and thought he's had a bad game.  McCoy may have a quicker first step, but Star is bigger and stronger and never gets pushed off the ball while being doubled. 

 

They are different players for sure. I'm not saying McCoy is a bad player.  He's a great player he's just more a pass rusher and that's not typically what you need DT's to do.  If a DT is trying to get sacks then there's usually a hole open to run through.

[shabazz]

I think McCoy can disappear at times man.  One thing about Star he's a steady presence every time he's on the field.  There hasn't been a single game where I've watched him line up and thought he's had a bad game.  McCoy may have a quicker first step, but Star is bigger and stronger and never gets pushed off the ball while being doubled. 

 

They are different players for sure. I'm not saying McCoy is a bad player.  He's a great player he's just more a pass rusher and that's not typically what you need DT's to do.  If a DT is trying to get sacks then there's usually a hole open to run through.

 

This comment feels like it was typed by a guy who is assuming a great deal about a player he has rarely watched outside of when his team is playing Bucs. I also question your depth in understanding the sport as you don't seem familiar with diversity in DT responsibilities and talent.

 

There is no way in hell one can follow a player of different team, especially a team that has almost no prime time games every season. But please don't make stuff up. You are sounding as if McCoy becomes a liability at run defense when he is doubled, I know you have not outright typed it and it likely would have been your response, but come on. Your statement of DT trying to get sacks and a hole to run through applies to Suh, he was vulnerable to that in his first two years and he was trapped often to create those plays. McCoy never was criticized in that regard.

 

Yes the Bucs run defense was pedestrian last year, but don't forget they had the best run defense in 2012 (based on both yards allowed and avg/attempt). Your knowledge in football is obvious and laughable with your gem of a statement "he's just more a pass rusher and that's not typically what you need DT's to do". That is a blanket statement that generalizes DT responsibilities. Now I know you will say "but I also said that they are different players". Yes, you said that, but its obvious you do not understand how they are different. One is a NT while the other is a UT and the way they react to run is much different unless the defense plays one-gap NT.

 

Believe me when I say this, teams want DTs to generate pressure, even more so than DEs for various reasons I can patiently list on your request.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

lol shabazz

 

was lebron taken?

[shabazz]

lol shabazz

 

was lebron taken?

 

LOL. There was a shabazz on Bucs board who was a Panthers fan years back. That is when I made an account here with the same name as a Bucs fan.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

I'd put Ngata and Atkins over him, and McCoy on the same level as Suh.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Double post..

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

lol shabazz

 

was lebron taken?

 

Bazz is the 2nd best PG in the NBA after Kemba. DON'T SH*T TALK THE BAZZ.

[TheMaulClaw]

This comment feels like it was typed by a guy who is assuming a great deal about a player he has rarely watched outside of when his team is playing Bucs. I also question your depth in understanding the sport as you don't seem familiar with diversity in DT responsibilities and talent.

 

There is no way in hell one can follow a player of different team, especially a team that has almost no prime time games every season. But please don't make stuff up. You are sounding as if McCoy becomes a liability at run defense when he is doubled, I know you have not outright typed it and it likely would have been your response, but come on. Your statement of DT trying to get sacks and a hole to run through applies to Suh, he was vulnerable to that in his first two years and he was trapped often to create those plays. McCoy never was criticized in that regard.

 

Yes the Bucs run defense was pedestrian last year, but don't forget they had the best run defense in 2012 (based on both yards allowed and avg/attempt). Your knowledge in football is obvious and laughable with your gem of a statement "he's just more a pass rusher and that's not typically what you need DT's to do". That is a blanket statement that generalizes DT responsibilities. Now I know you will say "but I also said that they are different players". Yes, you said that, but its obvious you do not understand how they are different. One is a NT while the other is a UT and the way they react to run is much different unless the defense plays one-gap NT.

 

Believe me when I say this, teams want DTs to generate pressure, even more so than DEs for various reasons I can patiently list on your request.

 

You're right in that I've watched all of Star's games as a Panther and I know what he's capable of. Sorry if I missed McCoy's wonderful talent in the beating he received from us last year.  He did disappear when he played us, just like you're going to disappear after Sunday....I know that much.  Chris Scott stole his cookies.