Is Cam Newton Really A Franchise QB

[Awesomeness!!]

Cam Newton will never win over some of you. Find a new team. 

[Kevin Greene]

Log onto huddle

 

Sees this thread

 

Logs off of huddle.

 

Why would you ever log out of Teh Huddle?

[L-TownCat]

The question is completly legitimate. That's why it generates such over the top contempt among certain Huddle members.

Newton was ranked as the 15th or 16th best QB in the league this year by NFL GM's and scouts.

He has never finished higher than 15th in NFL passer rating.

He has never finished higher than 14th in Total QBR.

He is still young and can obviously improve, but the "breakthrough" season as a consistent pocket QB has not yet materialized.

Certainly his mobility gives him a boost, but how long will that continue ?

He will be 26 next season with a lot of miles on the odometer.

It will be an interesting dynamic as he seeks a long term contract with a ton of guaranteed money up front.

It's not a legitimate question.

It's not.

It never was.

It never will be.

You're thinking too much.

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[Car123]

Silly.

Look at Andy Dalton.

Last year he threw for nearly 1000 more yards than Newton.

He accounted for over 500 yards more total offense than Newton.

He accounted for more total TD's than Newton.

And he had exactly the same NFL passer rating as Newton: 88.8

Both Dalton and Newton were drafted the same year and both have started for 3 seasons.

Dalton's career passer rating: 85.7

Newton's career passer rating: 86.4

Dalton has led the Bengals to the playoffs all 3 of his seasons as a starter.

Newton has turned the trick once.

Yet Cincinnati fans fall into two basic camps where Dalton is concerned: about half think he is garbage, the other half thinks he is OK to mediocre.

NFL coaches and GM's rated Dalton the 19th best QB in the League heading into this season.

Look at tge weapons both teams have.

[Borat]

He's an exciting, slightly above average QB of a team with a damn good defense. It's silly to conflate wins with QB prowess.

[B.BERSIN]

It's very funny that some people just cant bear others' different opinions, especially when it's negative to some player whom they love. Look, I love Cam and he's doing good but people have the right to ask "if he's the franchise qb" and you guys don't need to treat him like idiot.

 

I was told America was a free nation...

[IGSaint]

It's very funny that some people just cant bear others' different opinions, especially when it's negative to some player whom they love. Look, I love Cam and he's doing good but people have the right to ask "if he's the franchise qb" and you guys don't need to treat him like idiot.

 

I was told America was a free nation...

 

If you actually read every page of this thread your point has been raised and it's a stupid one. 

[B.BERSIN]

If you actually read every page of this thread your point has been raised and it's a stupid one. 

 

Sorry I'm not as leisurely as you are to read every page because I have a job. You can spend 7 days a week at home sitting on your couch being an internet tough guy.

[BigSyke]

huddle never fails to show its true colors. classic comedy really....

[IGSaint]

Sorry I'm not as leisurely as you are to read every page because I have a job. You can spend 7 days a week at home sitting on your couch being an internet tough guy.

 

You didn't even have to read every single page. It's not my fault you are lazy and have to post your stupid opinion and acting if it's something brand new being said. 

[xerxes]

Is your ebt card not working, you act like racism only goes one way.

I know I'm probably not going to change your perspective, but for the sake of promoting understanding, let me try and explain the racial concerns that often get brought up around Cam Newton.

 

First, let's break racism down into two separate categories as this is often a point of confusion. There's the classic racism that involves overtly discriminatory statements or actions, calling people the n word and so forth. For the purposes of this discussion, let's label that 'prejudice'. 

 

When people use the word racism, it's this type of prejudice that most immediately comes to mind, and it is the one that the majority of people feel is the issue. Fortunately, we've made significant strides as a country and the amount of overt prejudice has declined significantly. Of course it's still out there and is sadly more common than a lot of people might think.

 

The second type of racism is more insidious, and in my opinion is the more destructive form of racism in our society today. Let's label is racial bias. What is racial bias? It's systematic preference for one race over the other. Racial bias need not involve the overt prejudice to be discriminatory. In fact much of racial bias is sub-conscience. If you would like to see your implicit biases, take part in this Harvard study. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

 

Let's take a real world example, 95 percent of Ferguson's police force is white even though 2/3rds of the population is black. This suggests a racial bias at work in hiring practices for police officers in that area. But there could be a variety of factors playing into that. Maybe there are less black applicants, maybe the police force is older and the officers were brought on board when the demographics of the town were different, etc. There could be any number of factors influencing the situation, and it would be difficult to determine exactly how much race is a factor.

 

And here's where the disconnect comes in. For white people, it is very difficult to place a high degree of emphasis on racial bias because for the most part, white people don't experience discrimination on a consistent bias. Whereas people of color are sadly all too familiar with both prejudice and racial bias in their daily lives. For example, the story of a black Harvard professor who was arrested when trying to get into his own home. When you experience situations like this, you are more likely to see race as a significant factor in situations involving bias.

 

Ultimately, it's impossible to determine how much racial bias is a factor in any given situation or for any given individual, which makes it difficult to come to a common understanding, but it is important to understand that people often see race as factor because of situations and circumstances that have directly effected them in their own lives. Just because you do not see prejudice or racial bias in your own life does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't important.

 

Given how important race is to our identities, there is no doubt that it is a factor in how Cam Newton is perceived especially when you consider the historical preference for white quarterbacks. But how much of a factor is it? That is difficult to say. What we can say, is that is likely that white people underestimate just how important it is due to a lack of understanding of how racism functions in our society today.