Norman climbing out of Rivera's dog house

[t96]

Gettlemen is the one who adds and cuts talent....not Riverboat

Rivera seems to give him one shot every year...and when he pulls a Norman he then makes him disappear

It's both of them and I'm fairly positive Rivera's opinion matters more. DG wouldn't go out and cut a player that Rivera sees potential in and wants to keep and coach up.

[Ruff]

Those who don't learn their history are condemned to repeat it.

Seriously, is The Huddle in denial about Norman? It's as if I'm talking to a battered wife or girlfriend thinking she can change their man.

Judging from what I've seen, Josh hasn't changed one bit. Why are we wasting our time here? Every goddamn off-season, it's the same circle of poo.

"Hey, maybe this is finally the year Norman breaks out. He's too gifted".

(A group of Huddlers agree)

[Three weeks later]

"Cut Norman's scrub ass!!!!!!!"

(The Huddle universally agrees)

 

I agree with you now. Norman has had more opportunities than anyone else on the team not named Greg Hardy. It's time that he gets his poo together.

 

If this was his first season, and he did what he did in last week's game, I wouldn't have minded. If this was his second year, bigger cause for concern, but not a massive deal. Year three? fug no, buddy. It's time to get out.

[pilot2011]

Maybe his lack of discipline stems from the lack of true veteran leadership in the secondary over the past several years? Lets face it, a Nickle that now plays in Minnesota was the closest thing to a good cornerback we have had seen since 2007 Gamble . I think with the right teachers, Josh Norman would have excelled at a quicker pace.

 

He has had to figure things out on his own. He has failed miserably when the lights were on, but that doesn't mean he can't get to the place that Coaches, teammates, and fans know he is capable of. We've asked a 5th round pick from a 1AA school to be the man with no one but 1 year journeymen showing him the ropes.

 

Look at the linebackers. When is the last time that has been a weak area on the team? It seems like every back up linebacker we have ever had has moved on to big things with other teams or found starting rolls on this team. They have seen how true pros master their craft. Morgan, Beason, Davis, and Kuechly have been instrumental in the continuation of consistent play from anyone that shares their position...All first round picks.

 

Look at the O-line. They are starting 2 undrafted tackles and a division 2 guard. Whose direction have they been following? Gross and Kalil... First rd picks.

 

I admire DG for showing that average corners can still get you an elite defense, (with great pass rush), but neglecting the Cornerback position for all these years has got to have some kind of an affect in bringing up young talent; in this case a potentially really good player in Josh Norman, who I think really needs someone other than Thomas Davis yelling at him.

 

 

[CRA]

It's both of them and I'm fairly positive Rivera's opinion matters more. DG wouldn't go out and cut a player that Rivera sees potential in and wants to keep and coach up.

You telling me GMs don't hang on to guys they drafted even if a coach isn't thrilled with them?

[csx]

Maybe his lack of discipline stems from the lack of true veteran leadership in the secondary over the past several years? Lets face it, a Nickle that now plays in Minnesota was the closest thing to a good cornerback we have had seen since 2007 Gamble . I think with the right teachers, Josh Norman would have excelled at a quicker pace.

He has had to figure things out on his own. He has failed miserably when the lights were on, but that doesn't mean he can't get to the place that Coaches, teammates, and fans know he is capable of. We've asked a 5th round pick from a 1AA school to be the man with no one but 1 year journeymen showing him the ropes.

Look at the linebackers. When is the last time that has been a weak area on the team? It seems like every back up linebacker we have ever had has moved on to big things with other teams or found starting rolls on this team. They have seen how true pros master their craft. Morgan, Beason, Davis, and Kuechly have been instrumental in the continuation of consistent play from anyone that shares their position...All first round picks.

Look at the O-line. They are starting 2 undrafted tackles and a division 2 guard. Whose direction have they been following? Gross and Kalil... First rd picks.

I admire DG for showing that average corners can still get you an elite defense, (with great pass rush), but neglecting the Cornerback position for all these years has got to have some kind of an affect in bringing up young talent; in this case a potentially really good player in Josh Norman, who I think really needs someone other than Thomas Davis yelling at him.

It's everyone's fault but his? He's been given every opportunity he needs to succeed.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Norman, despite what some here contend, has grown and will continue to grow. Getts and Rivera are proving to be excellent talent evaluators. Why some of us are so quick to permanently emphasize the mistakes made in the growth of some of our team members, I am not sure. Everyone from the journeyman to the Superstar makes mistakes. Once he gets that fire of his under control, some will be doing what so many of our fellow huddlers have done so well in the past...eat big crow!!  Guess what , I even saw Luke miss a tackle or two and so did Davis. Brady sometimes throws interceptions, openly pouts like a small child and will not acknowledge Cam at the end of their last game. Manning looked like sh&t in the last Super Bowl. Let's give him what Gettlevera call a reasonable chance. If some of us were better talent evaluators we might see why he gets the chances he is getting. He will probably be worth it. 

 

Being a manager of sports team is not easy.  To play this sport you have to have some cockiness to you.  So many want robotic type players.  Turn the switch on and off they go making no mistakes.  To play corner you have to have that cockiness.  You have to have that belief you could cover anyone anytime.  Some talk trash and some talk more trash.  It goes with the territory.  Norman took it a bit too far and Davis and Rivera jumped his ass.   Mostly because the last real game we had, we lost because we lost our cool.  Talk the smack but keep your head.  I am sure that is the message to Norman. Dog house or no dog house.  Play smart.

 

I am concerned because i don't want to see Norman cost us another game.  If he is making strides in the right direction then we all should be happy.  i think he is.  Sounds like Rivera is too.

[Jrock88]

if he trash talks donald lafell tonight hes out of my doghouse

[pilot2011]

It's everyone's fault but his? He's been given every opportunity he needs to succeed.

 

I'm not saying it's not his fault, he's definitely been a knucklehead ever since he has been here. Maybe it's just how the cards were dealt. It would have been nice to have had a legit corner teaching him how to be great. We have had elite players everywhere on the field except for corner for way too long. I personally think Norman has the physical tools and the mean streak to be an elite shutdown corner, but I'm afraid he may be running out of time if he doesn't figure out the mental side to bring it all together.

 

Come to think of it, Gamble would have made a hell of mentor for Josh.

[Mojo]

Different personalities need to be led in different ways.  Maybe TD getting in his face was something he really needed (although he snapped back a bit).  Either way there's no way I'd cut him.  At worst he's better than Josh Thomas and Dockery, in my opinion.  At best he's a starter if he learns to control that huge chip on his shoulder and internalize our defensive scheme.  That's a big if so that's something I'm not expecting, but I really hope he can pull it all together in the mental aspects of the game.

[t96]

You telling me GMs don't hang on to guys they drafted even if a coach isn't thrilled with them?

 

Gettleman didn't draft him. If Rivera said Norman has no place on this team and is wasting a roster spot then Gettleman wouldn't stop him from being cut. He got rid of Barner who was his draft pick, so clearly he wouldn't hang on to guys he drafted if they together think he doesn't fit or isn't working out.

[Clicheking]

Mehhh.... Not sure what the obsession with Norman is around here, to me he has a low football iq and cant be trusted to do his assign/keep his calm. Josh is the girl at the bar you buy drinks at the bar all night and flirts with you, than at the end of the night tells you she has a boyfriend.

[Beast_3000]

You want to blame Josh for that? Think about it. Who let them get that close in the first place. Team effort man.

Let is go. This Cam doesn't miss a pass? Luke makes EVERY tackle. It is gonna happen. People make mistakes.

Get over it. That is so 2013.

Your post is soooo on point. Rivera had no business giving them the ball for an opportunity in the first place...

We have to call out the biggest blunder before we call out Norman for guessing wrong on a route.

[Beast_3000]

Mehhh.... Not sure what the obsession with Norman is around here, to me he has a low football iq and cant be trusted to do his assign/keep his calm. Josh is the girl at the bar you buy drinks at the bar all night and flirts with you, than at the end of the night tells you she has a boyfriend.

Hmmmm never had that happen before......

But I get your point

[4Corners]

I believe the opposite of what Joe Person says.