Dave Newton-Outburst aside...Norman having a great camp

[2jakefansinva]

love the kid.......................don't give up on him yet.

[SIGCHI222]

Norman was not spanked as a child.  Of that, I am sure.

 

 

There are always 2 or 3 players on the team, every year that some of us think are just that <putting my thumb and forefinger within touching> far away from being good, maybe really good, maybe great (lately Gettis, Otah, Barner, Armanti, Bersin etc, etc).  It rarely works out.  Maybe Norman will be the exception.

 

After all, looks like Sunshine is gonna make it.

 

 

 

 

[fieryprophet]

According to Bill Voth, Norman was far from the doghouse today, and Rivera had some good things to say about him.

[csx]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=carolina-panthers&i=TWT&id=8112&w=1ebfo

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Josh Norman is one of the most physically gifted players on the Carolina Panthers roster.

He's got the size (6-foot, 195), speed, quickness and vision to be one of the top cornerbacks in the NFL.

Norman also is one of the most unpredictable players on the Carolina roster, which keeps him from being not just an elite cornerback, but a starter.

Norman

Just when you think he's getting it, he reverts back to old, bad habits in terms of technique. Or he loses his cool, as he did on Sunday night when he got into a jawing match with Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe.

So I don't mean to knock on the guy but he isn't fast by NFL corner standards. His best time at the combine was a 4.66 and is has been noticeable when he plays. 

[CharlottePanther]

Maybe a Pro Bowler for the *insert Arena League team of your choice here*

Norman was a guy I really wanted in the draft that year. I was so excited that we drafted both him and Joe Adams. Those worked out well.

I've held out hope for Norman, but at this point I think it's clear that he's just a knucklehead who's never gonna "get it". There was a guy here on the huddle who had a friend on that Coastal Carolina team who warned us about this right after we picked Norman and he was attacked mercilessly. He was right.

I just dont see what Norman did wrong in the Chiefs game. Smitty does that all the time and worse. Sherman does it all the time and is waaaay more obnoxious. I guess my question is whats the message? I keep hearing people bash Norman for what he did but why? Grant it hes no HOFer like a Smitty or a Sherman but still, what gives?

[Khaki Lackey]

I just dont see what Norman did wrong in the Chiefs game. Smitty does that all the time and worse. Sherman does it all the time and is waaaay more obnoxious. I guess my question is whats the message? I keep hearing people bash Norman for what he did but why? Grant it hes no HOFer like a Smitty or a Sherman but still, what gives?

This. I just rewatched the game. Bowe came toward Norman while they were jawing at one another, they met face to face, bumped face masks (equally initiated by both) and Norman was the one backing out of the confrontation. He was backing up when Davis got in his face. Truthfully, Davis' actions made it appear worse than it was. I love me some 58, but he should confront his teammates out of the public eye.

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[LinvilleGorge]

an even playing field which is a marginal indicator of on field ability

The Combine isn't about on field ability, it's about pure athletic ability.

[Kuech the Sneak]

I just dont see what Norman did wrong in the Chiefs game. Smitty does that all the time and worse. Sherman does it all the time and is waaaay more obnoxious. I guess my question is whats the message? I keep hearing people bash Norman for what he did but why? Grant it hes no HOFer like a Smitty or a Sherman but still, what gives?

Smitty and Sherman produced and that's the bottom line, it's just frustrating to see a guy talk smack when he's not really much of a player. That's at least what I'm thinking

[Frizzy350]

That's the entire point of the NFL Combine - to quantify the athletism of the top prospects on an even playing field.

 

And yet it fails miserably.

 

Sure it gives you some wonderful track stats but it is seriously lacking in so many areas and ends up not telling you anything about a player's ability to play football.

 

Drills are severely limited, no pads, no helmets and no real way to see how or if a guy will fill the particular role your looking to fill.

 

All the goods come from coaches tape, pro days and individual workouts.

 

Lets be honest, the combine is more of a media day than anything else.

[Frizzy350]

Why Norman thinks keeping your mouth is being a "puppet" is beyond me.  The only thing he could possibly accomplish  by trash talking is negative. I am very sorry that 2 years of bench riding and a player like TD getting in his face is not enough to convince him that he should reconsider his approach. How dumb is this guy?

 

Meh.  He just sounds like an angry young rebel.

 

The difficulty with true rebels is they don't like being in controlled environments like the NFL.  True rebels can't be coerced with money, women, an easy retirement or by reason and logic from a man who has "submitted" to said environment.

 

I don't think the issue was with the trash talk in the first place.  I think it was because his facemask touched Bowe's, and we all remember that load of BS from the Niners game.

[LinvilleGorge]

And yet it fails miserably.

 

Sure it gives you some wonderful track stats but it is seriously lacking in so many areas and ends up not telling you anything about a player's ability to play football.

 

Drills are severely limited, no pads, no helmets and no real way to see how or if a guy will fill the particular role your looking to fill.

 

All the goods come from coaches tape, pro days and individual workouts.

 

Lets be honest, the combine is more of a media day than anything else.

 

It's about pure athleticism.  Nothing about football.  It's all about confirming what you've seen on tape or spurring you to go back to watch tape to see if you've missed something.

 

If a guy performs well at the combine and the tape looks good, you've got a bonafide prospect.  If a guy looks good on tape but sucks at the combine, you need to go back and figure out if he's a guy who is going to translate to the NFL level.  If a guy doesn't look special on tape, but performs like a track star at the combine, you need to go back and look at the tape to see if there's a way you can utilize that guy's athleticism in your system.

 

THAT is the point of the combine.  Too many people get obsessed with the numbers one way or the other.  Some act like it doesn't matter at all, some act like it's the end all be all. Neither are accurate.  It's just a piece of the evaluation.  BUT, when we're talking about pure athleticism, it's about as close to the end all be all that we're gonna get.

 

THAT is why I say that Josh Norman is a below average athlete for an NFL CB. It has nothing to do with his skills or lack of skills on the field.  It's all to do with what he showed at the combine in the same condition as other prospects at his position.  Athletically, he's nothing special.

[Frizzy350]

It's about pure athleticism.  Nothing about football.  It's all about confirming what you've seen on tape or spurring you to go back to watch tape to see if you've missed something.

 

If a guy performs well at the combine and the tape looks good, you've got a bonafide prospect.  If a guy looks good on tape but sucks at the combine, you need to go back and figure out if he's a guy who is going to translate to the NFL level.  If a guy doesn't look special on tape, but performs like a track star at the combine, you need to go back and look at the tape to see if there's a way you can utilize that guy's athleticism in your system.

 

THAT is the point of the combine.  Too many people get obsessed with the numbers one way or the other.  Some act like it doesn't matter at all, some act like it's the end all be all. Neither are accurate.  It's just a piece of the evaluation.  BUT, when we're talking about pure athleticism, it's about as close to the end all be all that we're gonna get.

 

THAT is why I say that Josh Norman is a below average athlete for an NFL CB. It has nothing to do with his skills or lack of skills on the field.  It's all to do with what he showed at the combine in the same condition as other prospects at his position.  Athletically, he's nothing special.

 

So you've just re-affirmed my statement.  No matter what happens at the combine, you need to "figure out" if he's going to be able to play at an NFL level in some way through methods not related to the combine.

 

I think Ninja Warrior is a better test of pure athletic ability than the combine.  We should replace it.

[LinvilleGorge]

So you've just re-affirmed my statement.  No matter what happens at the combine, you need to "figure out" if he's going to be able to play at an NFL level in some way through methods not related to the combine.

 

I think Ninja Warrior is a better test of pure athletic ability than the combine.  We should replace it.

 

My original post was about nothing more than Norman's pure athletic ability.  I said it's below average for an NFL CB.  I stand by it.

[TheRumGone]

It's about pure athleticism. Nothing about football. It's all about confirming what you've seen on tape or spurring you to go back to watch tape to see if you've missed something.

If a guy performs well at the combine and the tape looks good, you've got a bonafide prospect. If a guy looks good on tape but sucks at the combine, you need to go back and figure out if he's a guy who is going to translate to the NFL level. If a guy doesn't look special on tape, but performs like a track star at the combine, you need to go back and look at the tape to see if there's a way you can utilize that guy's athleticism in your system.

THAT is the point of the combine. Too many people get obsessed with the numbers one way or the other. Some act like it doesn't matter at all, some act like it's the end all be all. Neither are accurate. It's just a piece of the evaluation. BUT, when we're talking about pure athleticism, it's about as close to the end all be all that we're gonna get.

THAT is why I say that Josh Norman is a below average athlete for an NFL CB. It has nothing to do with his skills or lack of skills on the field. It's all to do with what he showed at the combine in the same condition as other prospects at his position. Athletically, he's nothing special.

I think newton went overboard that he could be the best corner in the league. That's retarded. But....he is the most talented corner on our team. He has leaping skills, can make acrobatic catches that no one on this roster can. And he can hit. The reason why Melvin is so effected is because he plays exactly how the coaches taught him, within the scheme. And he's a big bodied corner who can lay the wood. Norman brings an extra special quality that could make him our #1. That time sadly, I think has passed though.