Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

[Mojo]

Understandable. But there are certain players playing certain position that are rooted for excessively to succeed and people are excited because they're playing a style considered foreign to their identity. Those players transcend fan-base. Luck, T3bow, and Manziel are those guys. Nothing wrong with that though but don't sell me they're some prototype that are being emulated nationally at the pee-wee level. The trend right now is fast guys are playing the QB position too. Luck is not a fast guy. All humans can run. Even Peyton can run if he's asked to but not all humans are fast. Cam is fast. Luck is not.

 

I do agree with the core of your opinion.  

 

By prototype I look at it like this.  You're right, no scientist is going to get Andrew Luck into a factory and clone him because he's not as physically blessed as Cam.  But in my opinion, he's 6'4 240, big arm, student of the game, can run (not blazing fast) and pick up a 1st down when needed, natural leader etc..

 

Not every kid in America tossing around a football is trying to be a super fast QB.

 

But I do agree with the first part of your analysis, I think I just read it out of context in my previous post.

[LinvilleGorge]

I wouldn't agree Luck is a better runner than Jameis. Jameis has been a dual threat QB all his life. Luck is just willing to move his ass outta the pocket unlike previous era QBs. Nothing special about him at all. He's just being well marketed. For some reason a lot of people wanna see him do well.

 

Luck is a better runner at the NFL level than Winston is at the college level.  Neither are great runners, but Luck is decent enough at it to be a functional runner at the NFL level when he needs to be.  Winston won't be.

 

Luck is a damn good QB.  Not sure why so many Panthers fans want to try to tear him down in order to build Cam up.  Cam doesn't need it.  I'll take Cam over Luck straight up.  Passing is virtually equal, but Cam offers a lot more threat with his legs.

[FootballMaestro]

You're trying to be sarcastic, but in doing so, you're actually making a point.  In a straight line, Luck and Cam have similar speed.  The difference is that Cam gets up to speed quicker, he's far more agile, and has better vision and instincts as a runner than Luck.  Being a good runner in football is about more than just speed.  Speed certainly helps and at some point becomes a detriment if you don't have enough of it, but just because two guys run at a similar speed on a track doesn't mean they'll produce similar results running with the ball on a football field.

 

Agreed/well said.

 

However, I do feel Newton is faster (on the field), along with being much more instinctive, elusive, shifty and enormous.

[footballisasport]

I hope it gets attention, FC. I do think a lot of people dont like Cam because he is prideful. I hear it mentioned often specifically from fair weather football fans, the same ones who never liked Steve Smith.

U mean they hate his confidence. Cam believes in his God given talent. And the difference is, he got tons of it. There are to

those who don't have half his natural gifts that r more arrogant than confident. Two of them come to mind who played last night..LOL

[LinvilleGorge]

Jameis is a pure dual threat QB. The prototype. So good with the arm that you forget he's a runner. Winston is not running a 4.8, dude. I say a fluid 4.65. Luck ran an awkward 4.68.

 

This doesn't make sense.  If you've ever watched the guy play, you can see he's not a runner.  People don't "forget" that he's a runner.  He isn't one.  He tries to be, but can't pull it off.  The stats support it.

 

The guy had nearly as many rushing attempts as Marcus Mariota, but only about a third of the yards.

[King Schhit]

The nail. On the head. He hit it.

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[footballisasport]

I think the thing that helps Luck a lot is that he's not over saturated in the media. That goes a long way in folks simply knowing him just for his talent and not because the media is mentioning him every ten seconds.

What I've noticed is, those on NFLN will only mention Luck's name when aligning him with greatness or success. They will not harp on his mistakes, show them at all. Plus Luck really does lack that charm that many of the QBs his age and older, like Peyton, Brady, and Aaron has. Cam has both talent and charm in spades.

I was watching the Panthers highlights yesterday on NFLN and all one of the Analyst kept mentioning was Cam's smile. I have never heard anyone complement Luck on looks or state that he has charm. All I hear is how much weapons he needs to help him succeed. Heck give Cam 1/2 the weapons some of the QBs have and he will have the Panthers in the pay-offs every season, if not winning a SB ring or two.

[LinvilleGorge]

Holy cow! Cam was a whole half step ahead!

 

Like the other poster said, Cam's a better runner because of his agility, vision, and instincts.  Your videos only proved that *their pure speed is basically a wash.

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Mariota ran a spread offense. That's helps in the rushing department. And of course, I'm not comparing Winston's speed to Mariota's at all.

 

My point was that Winston attempts to run and largely fails at it.  He's not gonna be a dual threat NFL QB.  He's barely a dual threat college QB. 

[pantherj]

Maybe that's one of the reasons Cam's completion percentage is higher than Luck's.  You ever thought about that?

 

I was simply basing my opinion off all of Cam's games with the Panthers, and a handful of Luck's games. There's no possible way I could, or would, present any of my statements as a fact. Just the opinions of a fan, and of course my opinions change over time. It could certainly be the case that my opinion is wrong and that Cam is the better passer, or that they are dead even.

[tiger7_88]

I wouldn't agree Luck is a better runner than Jameis. Jameis has been a dual threat QB all his life. Luck is just willing to move his ass outta the pocket unlike previous era QBs. Nothing special about him at all. He's just being well marketed. For some reason a lot of people wanna see him do well.

 

 

Luck is a much better runner than JW is.

[FootballMaestro]

Holy cow! Cam was a whole half step ahead!

 

Like the other poster said, Cam's a better runner because of his agility, vision, and instincts.  Your videos only proved that *their pure speed is basically a wash.

 

Funny, if Cam QB'd the way he ran, he'd be an all time great right now.

 

It's almost like Cam see's everything in slow motion compared to all other QB's.

 

It appears, Cam can see, feel, and hear the entire field, as he pokes and jukes his way through the holes, openings and defense, then turn on the jets, or bowl you over (which we don't want of course) when needed.

 

Right now Cam's still on the upward curve of his development as a QB. Now if his underrated running game is an indicator (cause no other QB should be compared to his running), then we have great things to look for when Cam's as comfortable with running an offense, as he is with running the ball.

[MichaelNewtonII]

He ran 11 times for 26 yards against Auburn in the national championship game. It's not that he's unwilling to run, it's that he's too slow to be effective doing so. He ran the ball 88 times last year for 219 yards. That's a 2.5ypc average. His longest run was 21 yards. His best rushing game was 67 yards, but he did that on 14 carries for a 4.5ypc average.

He isn't Byron Leftwich slow, but he's nowhere near as fast as the guys who are currently having success being dual threat QBs in the NFL. He's probably gonna run in the 4.8 range. That's roughly the same time Peyton Manning ran at the combine when he was coming out of college 47 years ago.

Jameis is a pocket passer. People just see the color of his skin and want to assume the guy can run.

If he runs as slow as manning wow. I would expect like around a 4.65 from him

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[camycamcan]

People will always say luck