Who's the 'Prototype' for the New Age QB? Newton or Luck?

[Snake]

Well if you wanted to make a standard there will be many more Lucks in the league than Newtons. Cam is once in 20 years player while Luck is just what you expect out of a QB in the NFL now days.

[Mol3m4n]

The only reason Luck has more passing yards to boot is that he throws it possibly 100 more times than Cam in a season.

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[FootballMaestro]

Well if you wanted to make a standard there will be many more Lucks in the league than Newtons. Cam is once in 20 years player while Luck is just what you expect out of a QB in the NFL now days.

 

Yeah, I think the hardest things for most non fans to realize about Cam: He's a pocket QB. And he's been so since he arrived in Carolina. However, Newton, has an innate ability to stay in the pocket, and then scramble/run for outstanding yardage and first downs when most QB's would have thrown the ball away, got sacked, or made short yardage. That's what makes him so great.

 

He's not a runner/one read QB--like Kaep and RG3 (as many silly critics think), and he almost always makes the right decision on when to run.

 

No one else in the NFL has his skillset.

[Mol3m4n]

I don't see how anyone can watch Newton play (of course that's part of the big problem, most don't watch him play, but are quick to talk) and say he doesn't have the impact, or even more than Luck.

Cam's Rookie season, and even the past two years, he's had to be most of, or the whole show.

Cam doesn't have the luxury of a great running game, WR's or O-Line to fall back on (which makes other young QB's jobs and stats much easier). Of course Cam and Luck are in similar scenarios (compared to Kaepernick, RG3 and Wilson). However, Lucks defense was good enough the past two years to hold onto his 4th quarter comebacks, while Cam's defense (regardless of their ratings), blew their 4th quarter leads, while Cam got the blame--though he put the team in position to win. Luck also plays in a soft division.

The Colts get 6 free wins almost every year.

Saying this, I believe Luck to be a lot like Matthew Stafford. They were both uber hyped coming into the league but they both are just above average quarterbacks.

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[mbarbour21]

Cam's Rookie season, and even the past two years, he's had to be most of, or the whole show.

Cam doesn't have the luxury of a great running game, WR's or O-Line to fall back on (which makes other young QB's jobs and stats much easier).

Yep. The crazy thing is, if you watch some sports shows, they claim THIS is why Cam is NOT elite/great. "He isnt great because he doesnt have great WRs and amazing playmakers around him."

I dont understand how that means he is worse...

[FootballMaestro]

Yep. The crazy thing is, if you watch some sports shows, they claim THIS is why Cam is NOT elite/great. "He isnt great because he doesnt have great WRs and amazing playmakers around him."

I dont understand how that means he is worse...

 

Yeah, I thought that was strange myself.

 

However, when they all leave Carolina, they instantly label them as great, though they ending up sucking on their new team anyway.

 

Let's see what they say this year when the offense is markedly better?

 

[FootballMaestro]

The only reason Luck has more passing yards to boot is that he throws it possibly 100 more times than Cam in a season.

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Speaking about that: I love when Cam threw for all those yards his first two seasons, critics refuse to accept it, didn't want to believe it (still calling him a running, developing QB). So when Cam threw for 3300+ yards last year, all of a sudden, the Panthers are a low scoring team and Newton's riding the defense, and they're sticking to it.

 

So what are they gonna say this year, if/when the Pantehrs start scoring more points again? After all you can argue (especially if Stewart's healthy), that this years Panthers offense is better, no worse than the 2011 team.

 

Think about it: KB, Cotchery, Avant, Olsen, Dickson, Williams vs Olsen, Shockey, SS, LaFail and NeNe??

 

[mbarbour21]

Let's see what they say this year when the offense is markedly better?

"Wow! Who knew getting rid of Steve Smith would actually help Cam FINALLY become a good player."

"Gettleman was right! The answer really was on the roster the whole time. Cam actually got to play with some good WRs this year, I knew that's all he needed to be great! I was right!"

"Fluke..."

"The Panthers had a great......THIS JUST IN......Manziel just cut his eyes at a cashier at McDonald's! Wow! He really hates onions! I cant stand them either!"

Probably something like that....

[Peppers90 NC]

yea if you cant run and throw at this day and age, you aren't a prototypical QB.  I only include the top three omitting Rogers(because he certainly can run), because of their experience and leadership.  If Brees, Brady and Manning came into the league today, I can't say with certainty they would have the careers they have had.

[PntherPryd]

Very provocative article.  But the author left out one aspect of the "separation" between Luck and Newton.  Race.

 

As a practical person raised in the south, a certain degree of racism (from every perspective) is to be expected, if not tolerated.  But the NFL is a shining stage where black athletes can find both acceptance and stardom regardless of color.  Unless they are quarterbacks.

 

I realize this distinction would have easily tripled the article length and taken away from the quality research being submitted and the general assertion that Cam is more of a prototype QB of the future.  But I have gone from dismissing the "Black QB stigma" as an issue to seeing it raised again and again. With both fans and media equally guilty.

 

Beyond race, the author also touched on the SEC.  I really think this is a huge factor, especially since Cam still plays in the NFC South.  Winning the National Championship and his history at Florida created a lot of "ill will" in this corner of the country from SEC fans of teams other than Auburn.  Each and every one of them are more than eager to jump on every perceived or actual failure by Cam.

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Remember the Deion Sanders interview?

Deion, "Do you smell the cologne I'm wearing?"

Cam, "No."

Deion, "It's called confidence. I wear it every day. You got that same scent."

Cam, "It smell good don't it?"

We are so lucky to not only have the GOAT, but a fun personality as well. Embrace the jealousy/hate.

AMEN!!!!!

[pantherj]

Luck puts a nice touch on the ball, and can lob it nicely with precision right over a defender. Cam hasn't really developed that side of his passing game. He most throws rockets, and it's not unusual for him to throw a pass so far off the mark that fans will do a double take. Cam will also go long stretches (more than 1 quarter) where he doesn't throw a good pass. Luck imo is more consistent. I would give the edge to Luck in passing, and Cam in running. Let me be clear, drafting Cam is the best thing that ever happened to the Panthers. His ability to scramble, run the read option, avoid sacks, and make all the pro throws makes him the best QB we've ever had, and one of the best QBs in the NFL. I'm thrilled he's our QB, but he does have some serious flaws.

[Diehardpanther02]

This articles states everything i have been saying about cam since he came in the league... He is by far the best young qb in the league if we ever could surround him with solid talent from receiver to tackle he will set himself apart from the pack. We took a step in the right direction but we need to take advantage of his skillset while he is peaking to fully utiliZe him the way that fits him best....we get the oline shored up, and a few more atheletes to catch the ball we are set with a top and a top d and there is no way in poo that cam doesnt get us a ring...dude is a born competitor and proven winner...period

[Razeyfingers]

Very provocative article.  But the author left out one aspect of the "separation" between Luck and Newton.  Race.

 

As a practical person raised in the south, a certain degree of racism (from every perspective) is to be expected, if not tolerated.  But the NFL is a shining stage where black athletes can find both acceptance and stardom regardless of color.  Unless they are quarterbacks.

 

I realize this distinction would have easily tripled the article length and taken away from the quality research being submitted and the general assertion that Cam is more of a prototype QB of the future.  But I have gone from dismissing the "Black QB stigma" as an issue to seeing it raised again and again. With both fans and media equally guilty.

 

Beyond race, the author also touched on the SEC.  I really think this is a huge factor, especially since Cam still plays in the NFC South.  Winning the National Championship and his history at Florida created a lot of "ill will" in this corner of the country from SEC fans of teams other than Auburn.  Each and every one of them are more than eager to jump on every perceived or actual failure by Cam.

 

I think it maybe was more provocative to bring up race when the writer clearly was determined to leave that out. . given current events.