So a fun question for the Huddle.

[Brothergrim427]

I kinda agree with everything you say...but...Peyton Manning may have been a franchise changing pick.

The thing is...Cam does it out of joy, not malice. That makes a big difference.

No... Cam would not mock another player. He does his thing out of joy, not malice. Big difference.

"Smack talk" can make your opponent do things they wouldn't normally do. If it can help you? Why not? Smack talk is not talking about your momma. Smack talk is talking about your play. If your play does not measure up, you get smacked.

I'm sorry but children don't need to be this protected. "My child is a great student", " Everybody wins", "Fair play is good play", are all examples of coddling to the youth. Sometimes, children need to learn that life is not fair. Harsh? Maybe. True? Yupperz.

Sports are a metaphor for life. They are not meant to be a guiding principle. C'mon man. If you have nightmares over a spoting event, you are taking it too hard.

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There is a difference between trash talk, and degrading talk. Most players will tell you anything, like you don't belong, or you suck at this, or how did you even make the team, to get you off your game. But...there are those players who will take it farther. Those are the players that take it too far.

"Trash talk" is meant to induce an opposing player into making a mistake. Taking it farther is...unsportsman like. That I will give you.

well though out and very fair I congratulate you sir and I do agree children are too coddled it was just hard to watch that little girl cry I'm not saying I had any such issue man

[t96]

Not with his choking ass in the playoffs...that 11-12 record in the postseason is stellar.

 

Get real. There's 22+ guys contributing to the team's success, not just 1. Peyton's career playoff QBR is better than Brady's, yet everyone thinks he's a choker because his team's stats aren't as good as Brady's team's stats. Brady was lucky enough to have a top 3 defense for the early part of his career, and one of the best coaches of all time for his entire career (albeit he is a cheater and the Pats have been handed games by the refs numerous times). Peyton hasn't had either.

[t96]

That at least is a semi reasonable point my only thing is I'd rather not have villains in Carolina

 

What is your opinion of Michael Jordan?

[t96]

Because it's completely fuging harmless unless you're dealing with a mentally unstable dude. 

 

This boy should go watch White Men Can't Jump.

[Brothergrim427]

What is your opinion of Michael Jordan?

I never watched him play I only really like pro football not a basketball fan, and I'm really only a fan of the panthers though there are players I respect. I'm primarily a musician I'm in two bands , one is an alt rock act the other is progressive metal I can play guitar drums, bass and sing and write. I love football though and use it as a break from music :)

[Brothergrim427]

Although I've heard of Jordan (who hasn't ) but I won't give an opinion on someone I haven't watched firsthand

[t96]

I can understand that but I still would hate that for any child I saw a little girl with a 49ers cap on crying her eyes out at that NFC championship game and it absolutely broke my heart :/ I love children and want them each to enjoy life and have their heros and be happy that gave me quite a negative view of things like that

 

Children (and also many adults) need to learn how to lose, and how to learn from losing and move past it. That's the parents' job. A little girl crying over a football game is not sad or heartbreaking. It's a shame that the parents didn't raise her right. A child starving in Liberia doing drugs, with no parents is heartbreaking. Not some pansy child being offended by football players' trash talk, or teams losing.

[Brothergrim427]

Children (and also many adults) need to learn how to lose, and how to learn from losing and move past it. That's the parents' job. A little girl crying over a football game is not sad or heartbreaking. It's a shame that the parents didn't raise her right. A child starving in Liberia doing drugs, with no parents is heartbreaking. Not some pansy child being offended by football players' trash talk, or teams losing.

also true.. I just hate seeing anybody sad that was all I meant I'm sorry

[t96]

I never watched him play I only really like pro football not a basketball fan, and I'm really only a fan of the panthers though there are players I respect. I'm primarily a musician I'm in two bands , one is an alt rock act the other is progressive metal I can play guitar drums, bass and sing and write. I love football though and use it as a break from music :)

 

Jordan was the ultimate competitor, trash talker and perfect athlete. Every fan of any NBA team would give up their house to have Jordan on their team despite his competitiveness. It's what made him the GOAT athlete in any sport ever. (well except for Isiah he was the true GOAT but that's a whole different discussion) There isn't even an NFL comparison. Or any other sport for that matter.

[t96]

also true.. I just hate seeing anybody sad that was all I meant I'm sorry

 

It's cool... Obviously in an ideal world nobody would ever be sad, but unfortunately that aint the reality. Just in that situation I would be more sad that the parents didn't teach the girl that losing is a part of life and especially in a sport that isn't that important, you shouldn't get upset about it.

[t96]

also true.. I just hate seeing anybody sad that was all I meant I'm sorry

 

It's cool... Obviously in an ideal world nobody would ever be sad, but unfortunately that aint the reality. Just in that situation I would be more sad that the parents didn't teach the girl that losing is a part of life and especially in a sport that isn't that important, you shouldn't get upset about it.

[Brothergrim427]

Jordan was the ultimate competitor, trash talker and perfect athlete. Every fan of any NBA team would give up their house to have Jordan on their team despite his competitiveness. It's what made him the GOAT athlete in any sport ever. (well except for Isiah he was the true GOAT but that's a whole different discussion) There isn't even an NFL comparison. Or any other sport for that matter.

So you mean to say then that the trash talk is but a symptom of their competitive drive ? Meaning then that it just means a guy like that will work twice as hard ? Okay so then from what your saying it's no biggie and I should understand that it's this competitive combative attitude that gives us great players ?

[Brothergrim427]

It's cool... Obviously in an ideal world nobody would ever be sad, but unfortunately that aint the reality. Just in that situation I would be more sad that the parents didn't teach the girl that losing is a part of life and especially in a sport that isn't that important, you shouldn't get upset about it.

your right of course I just have a soft spot for people who are sad can't help myself :)

[t96]

So you mean to say then that the trash talk is but a symptom of their competitive drive ? Meaning then that it just means a guy like that will work twice as hard ? Okay so then from what your saying it's no biggie and I should understand that it's this competitive combative attitude that gives us great players ?

 

I'll say I am absolutely with you that I would rather see Cam (or whoever) win the game then hand the ball off to the ref instead of doing a celebration or something, but all that stuff is just a part of the game and the competitive nature of men at the professional level of the sport that really is their entire life for many of them. When I was younger I played a lot of streetball and I talked a lot of jive that I wouldn't have dared to say in front of my mother (or she'd get out the belt) and so did everybody else on the court. It was part of the game and everybody was competitive. We'd place wagers and hustle boys around the other courts in the city and we would truly hate each other on the court. But it was all left on the court. Once we got home we'd be watching ball on tv or listening to the radio as if none of that stuff ever happened. There were punches thrown at times and hard fouls but nobody had any hard feelings. Same goes for any sport in my opinion. To be truly great at something you have to have that intensity and that competitiveness where you just leave it all on the field. Guys like Smitty, Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor, etc. had it and I really believe Cam is developing it. On the court can carry over to interviews and in the media, but only when it gets personal off the field would it ever bother me, or seem wrong. To answer your question I think the level of competitiveness at the professional level (and even in some cases just kids or amateurs) and in human nature is so great that you must have "it" in order to be successful. It drives people to succeed. You can't go at 110% without the motivation too, and talk back and forth about who's better is what brings out the best in them. Take Sherman and Crabtree for example... Crabtree is a solid receiver and Sherman is a solid corner (I think a lot of his success has to do with the scheme in Seattle, and the pieces around him, but he is talented nonetheless) but the reason that one of them succeeded way more than the other was because he made his point and called Crabtree out and challenged him. I would bet anything that if those two happened to be at some party together they would be fine and cracking jokes together or whatever. I don't like Sherman just because I don't like Seattle and their bandwagoners, but I don't really think the trash talk makes him low character or even low class... Now is he nearly as classy as Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson? No. But nothing he's said or done has been unclassy.