Boomer Esiason's most overrated players...guess who's number 1

[I eat paint chips]

I think 3 straight champ games went over your head. Yes both teams lost. Excellent observation.

I prefer to win more in the playoffs than stats. It's that simple. I'm sure Cam would take lesser stats but more wins as well.

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Tom Brady would not have won 12 games in Carolina last year. Continue to use team success to evaluate individual players, it's the only way Brady will be able to keep up with Cam.

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Tom Brady would not have won 12 games in Carolina last year. Continue to use team success to evaluate individual players, it's the only way Brady will be able to keep up with Cam.

The ole if this player was on this team or if Barry Sanders had a line argument is goofy.

We will never know what Brady could have done here or vice versa.

Just win baby.

I think you are confusing tennis with professional football.

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[Cary Kollins]

look at this sad and pathetic post

 

 

umm figure of speech bro

[Pox 08]

Yeah, that was Boomer.  I think Marino, Sharpe, and Cowher all kind of set him straight because Boomer started to go off the deep end for a second.  It was a bit of an awkward moment.  The dude visibly got upset because they thought Cam was good.

 

I wish I could find a vid of that on youtube or something.  I've been looking around for over 30 minutes so far,  trying to find it.  I only vaguely remember it.

[Jangler]

How is Boomer rated overall in his NFL career? he's on par with Dilfer and he has a SB ring...

 

 

[CoastalCat]

Well...

 

1. Cam had 3,964 yards (10th) last year (fact)

2. Cam scored 30 TD (6th) last year (fact)

3. Boomer Esiason brings home migrant workers from the Lowe's parking lot and strangles them in his shower (unconfirmed, but we're pretty confident)

 

[FootballMaestro]

Basically, the reason the media is taking all these shots at Cam this preseason (if you were wondering), is cause they're anticipating him being bad this year with the departure of the ahem "all world Receivers", so they are hedging their bets.

 

Of course they will be wrong, and Newton and the Panthers will have a better year than they expect, but who ever thought these guys knew what they were talking about to begin with.

[FootballMaestro]

So, let me get this straight.

 

The Panthers receivers are the worst in the NFL.

 

The Panthers have a TE that is not even considered in any conversation with the top TEs in the NFL.

 

The Panthers OL is full of holes and has trouble giving Cam time in the pocket.

 

The Panthers RBs are average and overpaid.

 

And then you say that they make Cam look better? So, a bunch of average worthless no good has beens and wanna bes make Cam Newton a Pro Bowl players and one of the most respected and feared QBs among his peers.

 

Yeah that makes a ton of sense. Is Boomer sharing any of that stash in his desk? Seems like some gud sh.

 

 

Douche QB before Manziel

 

 

Agreed/well said.

 

However, they would actually have to watch the Panthers and Cam Newton, along with have journalistic//analytical integrity, for any of what you said to be true. :phew:

 

[FootballMaestro]

Haha, the Boomster must think all of Cam's rushing stats are overrated also bc he only showed the passing stats. I also find it funny that the same ppl who wanna give the D all the credit now are the same ones who refused to mention our D in 2011-2012. They blamed Cam and only Cam, now they pretend that all he has to do is just not have his damn helmet on backwards and we'll win bc of the defense.

 

So So So True!! :goodjob:

 

[Mr. Scot]

So lets see:

 

Kurt Warner

Boomer Esiason

Ron Jaworski

 

What do these three former QBs have in common?  (Outside the fact that they are all uber-douches, of course.)

 

Kurt Warner is generally considered one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.  Jaworski can come off as a bit of a prick but from what I know he mostly seems okay.

 

Esaiason?

 

He was legitimately a great quarterback and because of his son Gunnar, who suffered from cystic fibrosis, has done loads of honorable charity work.

 

On the flipside though, there's stuff like this (link)

 

You would think that with all the family issues that he’s had to deal with, Boomer Esiason might be a little more sensitive when it comes to the birth of a child, even considering the landscape of professional sports.

The NFL analyst and radio host, along with his partner, Craig Carton, are catching a lot of heat for their stances on New York Mets second baseman Daniel Murphy leaving the team to be with his wife in Florida following the birth of the couple’s son. Murphy has the right to paternity leave under baseball’s collective bargaining agreement, but that didn’t stop Boomer and Carton from questioning why the player is leaving the team after the birth.

Esiason took it one step further by claiming he would have his wife have a C-section so that he wouldn’t miss any playing time.

“Bottom line, that’s not me,” Esiason said on his morning radio show. “I wouldn’t do that. Quite frankly, I would have said ‘C-section before the season starts. I need to be at Opening Day. I’m sorry, this is what makes our money, this is how we’re going to live our life, this is going to give my child every opportunity to be a success in life.’”

Coming from someone who has done yeoman’s work raising money for cystic fibrosis in the name of his son, Gunnar, a graduate of Boston College, that insensitivity seems misguided.

 

 

Yeah...That's a pretty dickish thing to say.

 

He later apologized, but the damage is done there.  And given that he usually expresses himself in a Jim Rome "here's my opinion deal with it" style, there's reason to believe he's legitimately kind of a jerk.

 

 

Is it ever "okay" to use the race card with certain analysts?     In this day and age,  it's very unlikely to see a paid professional that hates certain players based on race,  but is it completely out of the question?

 

There's never been any evidence that Esaiason's racist.  Add in that the two other quarterbacks on his list are both white and the whole suggestion is kinda silly.

 

I do think he's wrong, though.  Like a lot of analysts, he's probably gets an idea in his head about a certain player and filters everything through that narrative.

 

Now, when you're faced with evidence to the contrary on an opinion like that, most analysts (frankly, most people in general) will spin things to an "I'm still right because" sort of argument.  Esaiason is probably doing that here. 

 

What sucks about sports talk in general these days is that analysis and opinion are pretty much interchangeable.

[Mr. Scot]

So, watched the full video. For those who didn't, the rest of the list was as follows...

 

Mike Wallace

Trent Richardson

Jay Cutler

Johnny Manziel

 

Objectively speaking, outside of Newton, I wouldn't really argue much of that list.  I might disagree somewhat with Trent Richardson being defined as 'overrated' because as someone else mentioned, the general perception is that he's not that good.  But overall, I can nod in agreement to most of those names.

 

Cam Newton though?  :unsure:

 

Granted, my objectivity might be a little in question here, but I'm gonna try and look at this with as little homerism as possible.

 

So here goes...

 

Esaiason's two main points in his argument are 1) questioning whether the team's success last year was more Newton or his supporting cast and 2) that he's "not Peyton Manning, not Aaron Rodgers, not Drew Brees, not Tom Brady..."

 

Let's take a look at those...

 

Supporting Cast:  Generally speaking, one of the key questions most analysts have asked about the Panthers has been whether or not they're surrounding Newton with enough talent on offense.  He specifically mentionsthe loss of Steve Smith as a big factor (Smith's stats last year would say otherwise). 

 

Given the overall quality of last year's receiving corps - Smith included - and banged up O-Line, suggesting that it was the people around him who raised Newton rather than the other way around is kind of "what?" :blink:

 

To me, this whole argument ignores the reality of the Panthers situation last year, so I'd have to call it pretty weak

 

Who He's Not: So am I to understand that not being one of the four best quarterbacks in the league is enough to put you in the 'overrated' category?  There are 28 starting quarterbacks in the league who are not Manning, Rodgers, Brees or Brady.  Calling them all overrated because of that strikes me as a tad silly. 

 

But more to the point, Esasason's read here ignores the stylistic differences between Newton and the QBs named.

 

Brett Favre, the quarterback to whom I most frequently compare Newton, wasn't any of those guys either.  It didn't stop him from being one of the best ever.  Why should it stop Newton from reaching that point?

 

I might agree with the notion that Newton is not 'elite' level at this point (inconsistency is still a big deal) but I dispute the "good, but not great yet" description Esaiason gives him.  I'm quite comfortable calling Cam Newton a great quarterback, with a chance to be elite.

 

Big stats are meaningless without wins, and Newton still needs to show that he can consistently win games, especially close ones.  But the most negative comment I think you can apply in that situation is "unproven".

 

"Overrated" goes too far.