Steve Smith or Randy Moss?

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

I get where you're coming from, but even the HOF gives an unreasonable amount of weight to players with rings (neither of them have even one) over true greats. (cough...Joe Namath...cough...Bob Griese...cough)

Joe Namath got in because of the implications of that game. That game helped make football a huge sport. He ain't in as a player. He's in as an influence to the game.

[DaveThePanther2008]

If Smith's or Moss's career ended RIGHT NOW.. Would either get into the HOF?

...and try to post an unbiased opinion.

pete

Steve Smith is far and above the most dangerous WR in the game. Moss has speed and the height to get behind the Defense but when things are not going well he loses interest. This was even noted this year earlier when Cassell was still struggling. SS gives 110% all the time.

Both in the end will go to the HOF however If I had to choose just one it would be S.Smith. Heres why.

Part of the criteria is how dangerous he was as a player. In his case EVERY team dedicates time to figuring out how to stop him. Double teams, exotic zones, triple teams. He is an Impact player. Another Criteria how he changed the game. I won't say we invented the Smoke route but through the years Steve Smith years we have used it probably more then any team in the league. Getting S. Smith the ball is critical and the Smoke route is one good way. Teams look to utilize it. Moss in Washington and Jackson in Philly were drafted and used in the same manner that Carolina uses Steve Smith. Thank God he is a Panther.

Just a few stats

Over 1000 yds almost every year of his career.

1st Player in 20+ years to win the Triple Crown in Receiving

Smitty may never get a ring but he will get a Bust.

Finally when you look at Steve Smith you see GREATNESS.

Go Panthers

O'BTW the fighting will be a NON factor.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

I want to see a little more (out of both of them) before i say HoF. Smith needs a lot more TDs before he hangs it up. Moss has almost 100 more TDs than Smith. You have to take that into account. Obviously Moss has played longer but still Moss averages over 10 TDs a year and over 1,000 yards a year. Smith meanwhile has gotten 10 TD receptions one time (05 he had 12) Averages less than 1000 yards a year (although that will change soon) but averages only 5-6 TDs a year. That's not HoF numbers. That's what the voters will see. Don't be a homer. He could be but he needs a very good 2nd half to his career.

[British_Panther]

Rice, Brown, Bruce, Harrison, Carter, Owens, Moss.

7 WRs who will go into the hall before smitty, I'm not saying they all should, but they all will. Only 8 WRs have gone in in the last 20 years, which means it will be around 2028 until its smitty's turn, AT LEAST. He will have retired for 10-15 years and there will be plenty of other WRs eligable who are active now, Johnson, Johnson and Johnson, Wayne, Boldin, Fitz.

Bottom line is, smitty needs AT LEAST one ring to put him ahead of the pack.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

The HoF won't allow TO in unless he wins a SB in Dallas god forbid.

[ironman99h]

Got to go with Steve Smith. The man is absolutely amazing to watch on the field and at any time can completely change the game. No disrespect to Moss, but I'll take Smith every time

[DaveThePanther2008]

I want to see a little more (out of both of them) before i say HoF. Smith needs a lot more TDs before he hangs it up. Moss has almost 100 more TDs than Smith. You have to take that into account. Obviously Moss has played longer but still Moss averages over 10 TDs a year and over 1,000 yards a year. Smith meanwhile has gotten 10 TD receptions one time (05 he had 12) Averages less than 1000 yards a year (although that will change soon) but averages only 5-6 TDs a year. That's not HoF numbers. That's what the voters will see. Don't be a homer. He could be but he needs a very good 2nd half to his career.

First let me say this. Because you disagree with my opinion doesn't mean I am a "Homer" no more than you love your Falcons and think M. Ryan is Rookie of the Year. Your opinion is noted but I take offense to the HOMER Comment.

Take away his rookie yr and 2004 when he broke his leg he is averaging about 1150 yds 8 TD per season. He won the triple crown(REC, YDs and TD) in 2005 which hasn't been won since Jerry Rice in the Mid 80's. Stats are only a part of the process. What is more important is how he compares to other WR's during his ERA and what impact did he have on the game. As I stated before. Teams are now drafting Strong Quick WRs in the mold of S. Smith and using the Smoke route that has made him dangerous on the field Finally IMO he is the most dangerous and complete WR in the league.

Write it down. S. Smith WILL make it to the HOF. 2nd Panther behind Julius Peppers (DE don't last as long as WR)

[Delhomeboy]

The HoF won't allow TO in unless he wins a SB in Dallas god forbid.

I dunno...I don't have his stats off the top of my head but I think he's already over that magical 10,000 yard mark.

And Steve Smith will make it into the hall of fame, if he has three or four more years like this one. Not necessarily for his stats either.

[hepcat]

Tough question. I think if you look at the quality of QBs each has played with, Moss has had the edge. Smith put up 1000+ yards in '07 despite having to work with three subpar QBs, and I think that said a lot for him. Moss on the other hand out in Oakland quit when he didn't have a QB to light it up. Based on skill set alone, I'd say Moss is the better of the two. But based on heart, grit, and who I'd rather have on my team? Smith hands down. He just wants it a little bit more than everyone else it seems.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

First let me say this. Because you disagree with my opinion doesn't mean I am a "Homer" no more than you love your Falcons and think M. Ryan is Rookie of the Year. Your opinion is noted but I take offense to the HOMER Comment.

Take away his rookie yr and 2004 when he broke his leg he is averaging about 1150 yds 8 TD per season. He won the triple crown(REC, YDs and TD) in 2005 which hasn't been won since Jerry Rice in the Mid 80's. Stats are only a part of the process. What is more important is how he compares to other WR's during his ERA and what impact did he have on the game. As I stated before. Teams are now drafting Strong Quick WRs in the mold of S. Smith and using the Smoke route that has made him dangerous on the field Finally IMO he is the most dangerous and complete WR in the league.

Write it down. S. Smith WILL make it to the HOF. 2nd Panther behind Julius Peppers (DE don't last as long as WR)

It wasn't directed at you personally. More of an in general kind of thing. I should have been more clear, i apologize for that. Obviously injuries are taken into account as well. That hurts your status more than helps IMO though. In his era there haven't been many who can match the consistency (Boldin, Fitzgerald, Harrison, Moss) but Smith doesn't match that type of production at each of their respective spots in their careers. IMO his TD numbers have to eclipse at LEAST 85 to have a good shot at the HoF

I dunno...I don't have his stats off the top of my head but I think he's already over that magical 10,000 yard mark.

And Steve Smith will make it into the hall of fame, if he has three or four more years like this one. Not necessarily for his stats either.

Remember, the media will keep you out if they don't like you a la Art Monk.

[PantherDude]

Moss is fantastic, but Smitty is better. It just he will do everything he can to win. Not to mention his speed & power are incredible. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan.