USA Today: Five reasons to believe in the Carolina Panthers

[CRA]

so he's a good offensive coordinator because the defense did well. yeah i'm not buying that at all, that's a terrible argument.

know what else helps defenses? scoring points. playing keep away is fine if you can actually score from time to time, and against any reasonable defense the panthers were shut down.

He was a good OC based on what we did as a team.

Defense only did as well as it did bc of the type offense we ran.

Again, you get Cam a better supporting cast and then I will support an upgrade from Shula. Until then, a "creative" OC won't have success here bc we don't have the talent. Result would be turnovers and inefficient offense.....and that impacts how good our D can be

I don't think Shula is good. O is boring. With the talent we have on O....Shula ball makes sense with a great D. That principle has taken many teams to the post season.

[Brothergrim427]

Fiz rears his ugly head, and a bunch of relative noobs fell for it (not blaming them). LOL.

as a newb myself what's the deal with that ?

[Panthers8969]

I really hate the faith put in Ron Rivera. People think he changed his philosophy or something which frankly isn't true. Someone just showed him some relative value chart of going for it on 4th, or going for TDs deep in opposing territories, etc. These things aren't daring or innovative; they're logical.

And even if he's changed on 3-4 plays a game, he's still letting shula call the most horseshit offense in the NFL for the rest of them.

I hope they implode this year and they bring in Gus Malzahn.

Are u a panther fan? Serious question

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[top dawg]

I get what you're saying, Fiz, but I still don't believe anyone can credibly say whether the offense will be a failure or success with any certainty or surety before the season begins, much less the preseason.

 

And it's ludicrous to cast negativity on a rookie who has pretty much impressed a GM, HC and receivers coach who all have Super Bowl rings on their resumes.  Like I said before, the reasoning behind some of your opinions is logically sound, but your statement regarding Benjamin is outrageous.  

 

 

[CPantherKing]

what does getting stomped at home in the playoffs do?

 

 

Panthers lost in the playoffs because their red zone offense had no serious threat outside Olsen in the passing game and the 49ers stacked Cam and Tolbert with the mash unit of guards the Panthers put together.

 

Panthers had no trouble moving down the field. Panthers had no trouble getting first downs. Panthers had no trouble controlling the clock.

 

We all agree the Panthers young defense from a year ago will be better. Especially in the front seven.

 

So, looking at the stats when it comes to offensive production which comes down to 1st downs percentage, time of possession, and touchdowns in the red zone we know what the Panthers needed to do in the off season. So, have the Panthers improved their red zone offense from a season ago? Do the Panthers have more red zone receiving threats? Will the person ell make defenses respect the back of the end zone? Are the Panthers getting back a healthy Jonathan Stewart to team with Cam and Tolbert in the red zone? Are the Guards better off for the red zone running game compared to a season ago? Will lanes open up for the running game with the passing threats the Panthers now have in the red zone?

 

This is what is not talked about. This is what is key for the Panthers improving and taking the next step. And anyone who overlooks this and fails to understand its importance has no idea what the Panthers were doing with their off season strategy. You don't win games by throwing 50 yard bombs to speedy receivers. You win by limiting turnovers, playing strong defense, controling the clock, moving the chains, and being the better team with the better match-ups in the red zone.

[Ivan The Awesome]

http://q.usatoday.com/2014/07/23/five-reasons-to-believe-in-the-carolina-panthers/

 

 

'Nuff said.  :lk:

 

 

 

 

Psssh...all I needed was one reason..

[Icege]

I thought he was trolling until he said that early reports said that Kelvin Benjamin isn't a good WR. Then I knew that he was trolling... or still having night terrors from witnessing the Ray Lewis murders.

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[lindseyjw14]

I really hate the faith put in Ron Rivera. People think he changed his philosophy or something which frankly isn't true. Someone just showed him some relative value chart of going for it on 4th, or going for TDs deep in opposing territories, etc. These things aren't daring or innovative; they're logical.

And even if he's changed on 3-4 plays a game, he's still letting shula call the most horseshit offense in the NFL for the rest of them.

I hope they implode this year and they bring in Gus Malzahn.

[PandaPancake]

Panthers lost in the playoffs because their red zone offense had no serious threat outside Olsen in the passing game and the 49ers stacked Cam and Tolbert with the mash unit of guards the Panthers put together.

Panthers had no trouble moving down the field. Panthers had no trouble getting first downs. Panthers had no trouble controlling the clock.

We all agree the Panthers young defense from a year ago will be better. Especially in the front seven.

So, looking at the stats when it comes to offensive production which comes down to 1st downs percentage, time of possession, and touchdowns in the red zone we know what the Panthers needed to do in the off season. So, have the Panthers improved their red zone offense from a season ago? Do the Panthers have more red zone receiving threats? Will the person ell make defenses respect the back of the end zone? Are the Panthers getting back a healthy Jonathan Stewart to team with Cam and Tolbert in the red zone? Are the Guards better off for the red zone running game compared to a season ago? Will lanes open up for the running game with the passing threats the Panthers now have in the red zone?

This is what is not talked about. This is what is key for the Panthers improving and taking the next step. And anyone who overlooks this and fails to understand its importance has no idea what the Panthers were doing with their off season strategy. You don't win games by throwing 50 yard bombs to speedy receivers. You win by limiting turnovers, playing strong defense, controling the clock, moving the chains, and being the better team with the better match-ups in the red zone.

Ban this freak for bringing facts and a logical discussion here during the off-season

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[Fiz]

I get what you're saying, Fiz, but I still don't believe anyone can credibly say whether the offense will be a failure or success with any certainty or surety before the season begins, much less the preseason.

 

And it's ludicrous to cast negativity on a rookie who has pretty much impressed a GM, HC and receivers coach who all have Super Bowl rings on their resumes.  Like I said before, the reasoning behind some of your opinions is logically sound, but your statement regarding Benjamin is outrageous.  

To your first point, why not? This board is ready to crown the defense as the greatest unit in NFL history, even with probably its best pass rushing threat facing a suspension for beating the poo out of a girl for having sex with Nelly.

 

To your second, what do you expect them to say? Yeah they could toss him under the bus or whatever but that's never really been the Panthers style. As far as reports, from people that have actually seen him practice..

 

Kelvin Benjamin and 11 other Panthers receivers and quarterbacks had a three-day throwing session with Cam Newton in Charlotte this week.

 

Newton rounded up the troops at WRs coach Ricky Proehl's athletic park and hosted the three-day "camp" as a tune-up for training camp next week. In addition to Benjamin, veteran receivers Jerricho Cotchery and Jason Avant were also in attendance. Beat writer Jonathan Jones observed and noted that Benjamin "struggles on routes that force him to come back to the ball" and "gets out of cuts slower than most receivers." We're not expecting a high-volume stat line from Benjamin as a rookie, but he could flirt with 6-8 scores as a red-zone specialist.

[AKPantherFan]

All I know is last season was fun to watch. I am hoping for the same this season.

I just want us to start fast and give ourselves some running room down the stretch as an insurance policy.

[Fiz]

Also why do you guys care about time of possession? This isn't the fuging 1930s. Princeton isn't playing Yale. 

 

TOP doesn't matter anymore. Number of plays matters. And the good teams care about plays, because every time you run a play, you have a chance to score. This is the way the game is moving. This isn't hard to understand. Now part of me thinks that you guys are harping on TOP so much because its a stat the Panthers do well in, and you've been told by people to care about it. You're not overly intelligent and don't really understand football, so it works for you. However, I'm going to just post some simple links for you to look at.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-time-of-possession-statistics/2013/

 

This is time of possession by team in 2013, starting with the top team, the Chargers. Carolina is fifth, right behind the Lions. The Super Bowl winning Seahawks, they with the best defense in the last few years, are all the way down at 14th. I actually think looking at this data that TOP doesn't really matter at all, considering the difference between the Panthers at 4th and the Oakland Raiders at 21 is a whopping 3.5 ish percent. That's less significant then when people list the youngest teams and the total spread between the average extremes is 2 years. 

 

More important are number of plays run. 

 

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game

 

Now ignore Buffalo since they're running a college offense come hell or high water. There's Cincinnati and Detroit, top 5 in TOP. 

 

Even WEIRDER, Detroit is 7th in yards per play.

 

Basically what I'm getting at is TOP isn't a good indicator of offensive success or efficiency, and if you want to defend Shula horseshit offense by saying it helped the defenses, teams that didn't run a 1970s passing tree did better in absolute and relative terms. Many of these teams had less talent than the Panthers; Andy Dalton is poo, Lions don't have an offensive line, etc. Hell, they were only a percentage point better than THE HOUSTON TEXANS. 

 

chip kelly is probably the best offensive mind in the nfl depending on what you think about norv turner. Do you think he cares about time of possession, or plays?

 

 

 

"I've heard the question about time of possession, but we've talked about all the time -- time of possession is how much time can the other team waste," Kelly told the Philadelphia media Friday, via CSN Philadelphia. "Most games, we lose the time of possession, but it's how many snaps do you face? And I think in both(preseason) games we've played, we've played more snaps than our other team."

Bill Belichick has said similar things over the years. Points matter. It doesn't matter how long it takes you to score if you score. And it doesn't matter how long you had the ball if you don't score. (ThePittsburgh Steelers and Detroit Lions ranked second and third in TOP last season.)

Kelly coached a game last season in which UCLA held the ball for 38:31, and Oregon held the ball for 21:29. Kelly's Ducks won 60-13.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233151/article/eagles-coach-chip-kelly-time-of-possession-overrated

 

There's only one mind in football equivalent to Chip Kelly. The man is currently turning poo into gold in Auburn.

get on the gus bus, bitches

[Fiz]

All I know is last season was fun to watch. I am hoping for the same this season.

I just want us to start fast and give ourselves some running room down the stretch as an insurance policy.

2010 was fun to watch.

 

"how will jimmy mess up this time"

[Fiz]

Ban this freak for bringing facts and a logical discussion here during the off-season

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Were the last TOP, plays per game, yards per play stats good enough for you?

 

Or do you think stats translates to "paper brick of rhetorical questions"?