Ashley Fox - Hardy Situation Trumps Others

[Pox 08]

I wouldn't restrain a woman. If lock myself in a room or leave. If a chick is freaking out enough and you restrain her, leaving bruises and marks all over her arms or wherever, then you could potentially get yourself in trouble. All it takes us one chick to lie and say you were forcefully restraining her against her will and you're screwed.

It's all moot, though. Grow up and keep the right company and it'll never be an issue. Most people look at it as black and white. You either go out and act wild and crazy or you sit at home and are a prude. However, it is also possible to go out and have a good time without being an idiot and putting yourself in risky situations.

I don't think Hardy is a bad person, he's just very immature. It's time to grow up.

 

You don't think that's screwed up, though?  To feel the need to lock yourself in another room,  if an intruder is in your house and wrecking your poo.       The fact that crazy females get special treatment ......      It's like everyone would handle them with kid gloves,  as if they are retarded or something and they don't know the difference between right and wrong.       They are adults.  Adults should know the difference between right and wrong and being of the female gender should not give one the free reign to wreck another persons house.

 

 

If I were to go inside someones house and wreck the place,  while the owner was home.          I would get my ass kicked and beaten and everyone would be saying it was justified.           A crazy female does it.........and a guy should be afraid to even restrain her until the cops come.

 

[lindseyjw14]

You don't think that's screwed up, though? To feel the need to lock yourself in another room, if an intruder is in your house and wrecking your poo. The fact that crazy females get special treatment ...... It's like everyone would handle them with kid gloves, as if they are retarded or something and they don't know the difference between right and wrong. They are adults. Adults should know the difference between right and wrong and being of the female gender should not give one the free reign to wreck another persons house.

If I were to go inside someones house and wreck the place, while the owner was home. I would get my ass kicked and beaten and everyone would be saying it was justified. A crazy female does it.........and a guy should be afraid to even restrain her until the cops come.

Of course it's messed up. Doesn't change my stance, though. Not everything is fair or right in life. It's still not worth putting yourself at risk. It's better to just walk away. Hardy could've easily replaced anything she broke and filed charges against her after the fact. He can't, however, change the public opinion on him now after the fact. Regardless of whether he is completely innocent or not.

Kind of like the thread on the man who died after being restrained and choked by the NYPD. Did the officers abuse their power and use unnecessary force? Yes. Should they be held accountable for his death? Yes. His family will sue and probably get a big chunk of money. Did the man have a right to be upset and feel he was being done wrong? Absolutely. Was it worth losing his life over? Hell no. Right or wrong, if police officers are going to arrest you it's best to just swallow your pride and comply. Nothing good comes from resisting arrest. Now I'm not saying it was his fault he died, the police should be held accountable for that. All I'm saying is that instead of just letting the officers arrest him peacefully without physical force being used, he made the conscious decision to be defiant and resist them. That decision unfortunately led to police officers using unnecessary force, which ultimately triggered an attack that caused his death.

The man wasn't even in the wrong by being upset and resisting them. Just like Hardy was probably justified in restraining that woman. However, you have to pick your battles in life. Sometimes it's better to just walk away from a situation and not fight, regardless of if you're in the right or not.

[steveSmokin_D]

I like Hardy as a player as much as anyone else here but this is just distasteful. 

 

We don't know exactly what happened but to say that the beatings should have been much worse than they were because he is a big bad football player is just retarded. Sure if Hardy wanted to really hurt her then she would have several bruises and blood everywhere but he probably went easy on her. 

 

Now if your daughter, wife, or female friend comes home with a cut on her arm, scrapes, redness, big bruise on her back, and swelling on shoulder are you really going to defend the alleged attacker?!? 

 

 

Something doesn't add up. If the phone call was legit and not a cover up then how did that girl get mildly roughed up? Was it self inflicted? or did Hardy do that?

Something happened I will agree however with her description of what happened and the injuries don't add up. Those injuries could come from freaky sex, self inflicted, or maybe there was a physical encounter. My guess there probably was but not how she describes it and a lot of it is fabricated. Those injuries can come from being pushed away hard defensively and falling to the ground akwardly  or being restrained more so than him doing as was described by Holder. There is the possibility of all of those injuries are self inflicted who is to say but I can say with a degree of certainty it didn't come from what she described.Size and strength difference does matter. I hate to say it but a unconditioned female having a physical altercation with a physically condition athlete is not going to end up in a few scrapes, redness, and a bruise on her back especially in the manner she is describing it. I also think that phone call is legit. Again she is claiming to have been held down by Hardy's manager but you can clearly here someone talking to Hardy at the 38 second mark of the call in close proximity to the phone that does not appear to be Hardy's or the operators voice. How can the manager be in two places at once when he supposedly holding her down? Considering that she running away from the police when they arrive I doubt she just stayed there out of wanting something to happen. Here is something else to consider if you ever been dragged by anything from a point high up on your body and more thank likely you are going to fall. Double that chances considering she was wearing heels. There should have been some injuries to her legs as well but all her injuries are upper body.  I've been unfortunate enough to have seen the result of domestic violence too many times in my life time. I've actually seen what this lady had described first hand (one of the longest nights in my life) and believe me it is not pretty. Having to break it up or the end result. 

 

Its kind of an unfair question of what I would do if this was my loved one. This doesn't involve my loved one. Since the question was asked I will say this if my daughter (seeing I would never date anyone on drugs to begin with) was known to do coke and hanging out with the wrong crowd I would be royally upset but there would be some tough love there as well. I would do everything in my power to find out the truth of what happened and make sure the appropriate action was taken (whether it be the police or a good ol fashioned NC ass whoopin) while re-enforcing the fact that bad things happen when you do the wrong things while hanging out with the wrong crowd. Im sorry you found my post distasteful and retarded but a lot of what she is saying and has stated is not adding up. I pray that both  of them can get their acts together (Holder and Hardy) and can learn from this experience and both move in a more positive direction.

[steveSmokin_D]

When I say ass whooping I mean for the guy doing it not the daughter.

[Pox 08]

Of course it's messed up. Doesn't change my stance, though. Not everything is fair or right in life. It's still not worth putting yourself at risk. It's better to just walk away. Hardy could've easily replaced anything she broke and filed charges against her after the fact. He can't, however, change the public opinion on him now after the fact. Regardless of whether he is completely innocent or not.

Kind of like the thread on the man who died after being restrained and choked by the NYPD. Did the officers abuse their power and use unnecessary force? Yes. Should they be held accountable for his death? Yes. His family will sue and probably get a big chunk of money. Did the man have a right to be upset and feel he was being done wrong? Absolutely. Was it worth losing his life over? Hell no. Right or wrong, if police officers are going to arrest you it's best to just swallow your pride and comply. Nothing good comes from resisting arrest. Now I'm not saying it was his fault he died, the police should be held accountable for that. All I'm saying is that instead of just letting the officers arrest him peacefully without physical force being used, he made the conscious decision to be defiant and resist them. That decision unfortunately led to police officers using unnecessary force, which ultimately triggered an attack that caused his death.

The man wasn't even in the wrong by being upset and resisting them. Just like Hardy was probably justified in restraining that woman. However, you have to pick your battles in life. Sometimes it's better to just walk away from a situation and not fight, regardless of if you're in the right or not.

 

Oh I know.  I'd probably attempt to run away also........since if I lay any hand on a crazy chick that is in my house,  destroying my stuff.......  I'd be the one going to jail.

 

My whole thing is just about how all of it is messed up.      Where we can only defend our house,  if it's against a guy.   Sadly, I don't see anything changing anytime soon. 

[AceBoogie]

OJ did it, Casey Anthony did it, and George Zimmerman did if but they're not in jail

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That's because George Zimmerman was only guilty of being an uptight dumbass, who pissed off the wrong person and got his ass beat. Sadly, he did nothing illegal tho, and had he not killed Trayvon then Trayvon would have probably faced assault charges.

[Razeyfingers]

She wasn't hallucinating....she is obviously a woman that dates high profile characters with cash to burn. She buys her way through life with her looks and wants the most she can possibly get...period. Appears to be someone who is use to getting her way and when she doesn't....throws tantrums.Hardy F,,d up by even giving her a second look.Hope he learned to leave woman like this tending tables and out of his life.Add in a coke habit and this is what you get.Any body (male or female) who would write that article and represent that woman as a "victim" and a innocent abused person...must be hallucinating herself.

 

Thread answer =^

 

 

. . and anyone who says things like 'they should do away with this side of the law system' who didnt study law is clearly a first class idiot.

 

Ashley Fox is beyond stupid for words.

[Razeyfingers]

Yes. The Judge found that he was upset and yelled at a woman in a heated and threatening manner while communicating threats.

 

The Judge also called the testimony of a person on cocaine and drunk the night of the incident, who had made known she was going to show Hardy "crazy", credible testimony.

 

There was no finding of battery or physical abuse.

 

Meanwhile there is plenty of evidence of Holder committing assault and battery on a man and forcing her way into Hardy's apartment while drunk and high on cocaine. After being asked to leave several times she continues to come at Hardy and draws blood. She continuously provokes Hardy and insists that he cause her bodily injury and break her arm - which he refuses to do. There is testimony in the trial of her premeditating an assault on Hardy by making it known to people around her that Hardy has not seen crazy yet.

 

Prior to all of this she would not remove her items from Hardy's apartment when requested. Hardy had her items removed and placed back in her apartment while she was away. Hardy also stopped paying her rent for her apartment. She made it well known she was going to get her piece and make him pay.

 

If he had been found to have "beat" her, as the ESPN reporter said in her biased and shoddy reporting, the judgement would not be a misdemeanor with probation.

 

Hardy should have pressed charges the night he called 911 and had her put in jail for her actions. He just had her escorted away from his home. He left it up to the magistrate and the state, and they will always go after the man in a domestic dispute even if there is more evidence against the woman.

 

Thank you for making the facts more clear. Some media outlets out there have been painting this like 'she was bruised from head to toe'

 

[Razeyfingers]

Can we please disagree and provide context around the facts of the case without being sexist knuckle dragging neanderthals?

 

Personally, I find it unfortunate that Ashley Fox is using this case as an example of the domestic violence problems in this country (of which there are many) because once you dig into the facts of the case, it undermines a lot of her argument.

 

While victims need not be saints to be taken seriously or be afforded justice, there are enough red flags in the case to question the credibility of the accuser. Domestic violence should never be accepted but neither should potentially unfounded accusations be allowed to destroy the reputation of individuals. 

 

This is another prime example of a person who thinks they're smarter than they are. Unfortunately, she has a big microphone that broadcasts to a lot of stupid people. I cant imagine the sheer size of this problem in the world. It would have to be one of the biggest. . . but rationalizing immature conflicts into being beatings is incredibly negligent of a society. Trying to ruin a man by overstating the scenario is a WILDLY malicious thing to do. When people with unjust agendas walk around stupid AND with big microphones, I worry.

 

Americans want to "take away the guns", when we need to be taking care of the crazy people first. Stupid people that think they know better and the crazy people they let walk around unchecked are destroying all of the liberties and freedom that make this country great.

 

[SammiOnAir]

Due process? He was convicted of assaulting a woman. Your defense of him shows your character.

I don't think his commentary was defending Hardy at all, just pointing out her bias in disregarding the questionable testimony and facts about Holder.

Everybody gets so worked up - I think they both had a part in the crazy events of the night. Not one sided- like many of the opinions out there.

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[tiger7_88]

 

She apparently just wants to skip the whole Due Process part of the constitution and go strait for the juggular b/c domestic violence. 

 

 

 

So in your opinion, its not "due process" unless the outcome is what you prefer it to be?

 

Because I could have sworn that Hardy was just pronounced guilty of the crimes of which he was charged.

[tiger7_88]

Uh yea due process says you can appeal and have a trial by jury....

 

 

Maybe you didn't know this, but an appeal doesn't set aside the previous verdict.

[jtnc]

Where was she when Ray Rice was DRAGGING HIS WIFE HE FLOYD MAYWEATHER'D OUT OF AN ELEVATOR!?

[CarolinaSamurai]

Maybe you didn't know this, but an appeal doesn't set aside the previous verdict.

.......yes it does......he isn't guilty till the jury trial says so. Due process....read about it please

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