When a persona overtakes reality...a.k.a..the Kraken

[CatMan72]

Irrelevant. He's guilty. They are no longer charges, they are convictions. He is now guilty until proven innocent by appeal. This judge wanted to make a public example of Greg, no matter how she did it.

Nope, that's not how it works. He's invoked his right to appeal before a jury so he's innocent until otherwise determined by a jury of his peers.

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[bleys]

Apparently he looked at her wrong and (later) bruises appeared from it.

 

the lawyer was presenting this as his case.  one thing you don't need to be in a court room for is to put that tidbit together with her story.

 

none of it really added up.  doesn't mean a hand wasn't laid on her or that we can gather an entire case from a distance, but straight up assaulted by her description?   sheeesh..  you don't have to be there to see some of those glaring holes...

 

 

good thing is I'm not the one on trial...  so there's that.

[J.Cage]

Lets all stop acting like we know these athletes off the field. He's not crazy. Stop perpetuating that.

[CatMan72]

Not complicated. He's gone. Some teams will put up with this (Raiders) but not Panthers. They want a squeaky clean organization. Plus Kony was drafted, Frank still possible talent etc.

Who compared this to Carruth? That is absurd. A bruise and death are slightly different things.

Carruth has been used by some as a precedent for how the Panthers might react to this situation.

Smitty was an elite talent so the reaction to his multiple transgressions were complicated. The circumstances were different but the bottom line is that he viciously assaulted two people who could have just as easily pressed charges and there was no question about his guilt.

Hardy's situation is more sensitive because he assaulted a female but I promise you that the Panthers reaction is complicated based on his talent. If Wes Horton was in this same situation he would have been cut already.

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[PiratePanther189]

Nope, that's not how it works. He's invoked his right to appeal before a jury so he's innocent until otherwise determined by a jury of his peers.

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Edit: No, you are right and I am wrong. He gets a trial de novo (a new trial).

 

In case this is new info to anyone else like me, though it's technically an appeal to superior court, the reason this is done is to save the state money since most defendants will just accept their original conviction and move on (keeping the state from having to spend $$ on jurors unless requested before or in this case, after the original trial).

 

This is not practiced in a whole lot of states, but North Carolina is one of them. Hardy essentially gets to start all over even though his reputation is technically ruined.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Lets all stop acting like we know these athletes off the field. He's not crazy. Stop perpetuating that.

 

General belief is that the 'crazy' thing is an act. 

 

Unfortunately, the immaturity, bad judgment and poor decision making are all very real :unsure:

 

Is Hardy really guilty of this?  Durned if I know.  He most definitely could be, but the general situation is an unholy mess.

 

But in the end, Hardy's the one who has to bear ultimate responsibility for getting himself into that mess.

 

[PiratePanther189]

Lets all stop acting like we know these athletes off the field. He's not crazy. Stop perpetuating that.

 

There's far more smoke to indicate he's crazy than that to prove that he isn't, however. And you perpetuating that he isn't crazy holds the same weight as someone perpetuating that he is.

[Mr. Scot]

Carruth has been used by some as a precedent for how the Panthers might react to this situation.

Smitty was an elite talent so the reaction to his multiple transgressions were complicated. The circumstances were different but the bottom line is that he viciously assaulted two people who could have just as easily pressed charges and there was no question about his guilt.

Hardy's situation is more sensitive because he assaulted a female but I promise you that the Panthers reaction is complicated based on his talent. If Wes Horton was in this same situation he would have been cut already.

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In this case, I wouldn't call Carruth a precedent so much as a catalyst.

 

It's because of Carruth that Jerry Richardson is extremely sensitive about the team being associated with anyone who's got the stigma of 'violence against women' attached to them.

 

Truth be told, I think the economics of the franchise tag probably have a bigger effect on this year's situation than Hardy's talent.  Either way, I have a very hard time imagining a scenario where he's still a Panther next season.

[Snake]

Smitty got into a heated altercation on the sidelines with a team mate during practice....Hardy was convicted of assault and battery on a female.

Not even CLOSE to the same thing.

You do understand just grabbing someone are is simple assault. Even defending yourself is simple assault. Its a misdemeanor and comes with community service and probation. She simply filed the complaint first so hardy was the defendant. He should have filed first and she would have been charged.

[Snake]

In this case, I wouldn't call Carruth a precedent so much as a catalyst.

It's because of Carruth that Jerry Richardson is extremely sensitive about the team being associated with anyone who's got the stigma of 'violence against women' attached to them.

Truth be told, I think the economics of the franchise tag probably have a bigger effect on this year's situation than Hardy's talent. Either way, I have a very hard time imagining a scenario where he's still a Panther next season.

I think he was gone either way. He wants big money we can't deliver.

[PiratePanther189]

You do understand just grabbing someone are is simple assault. Even defending yourself is simple assault. Its a misdemeanor and comes with community service and probation. She simply filed the complaint first so hardy was the defendant. He should have filed first and she would have been charged.

 

Ding, ding, ding. If you or anyone you know has ever been in a fight at a bar or something that gets the police involved, you will hear a nice cop say this. "Get sober and file charges first"

 

Now domestic violence/ assault on a female is somewhat different and even has a special courtroom and judge, but the principle is still the same. Just because Hardy called 911 first doesn't mean he pressed charges first.

[J.Cage]

Any time I've had an interaction with Greg has pretty subdued, unless he playing sports. What really is there to indicate that Greg is crazy (that isnt football related)?

[Jmac]

Let's just say maybe not out right crazy....but may tend to go to the dark side when hammered and provoked into a crazed state...there are happy drinkers and mean ones....effects every one differently...I would think they are looking into the coke situation also...unfortunately they may have their concerns..guilty by association...I am not saying he does it just doesn't look good (so don't go all ape shat on me for saying it).

[JawnyBlaze]

the lawyer was presenting this as his case. one thing you don't need to be in a court room for is to put that tidbit together with her story.

none of it really added up. doesn't mean a hand wasn't laid on her or that we can gather an entire case from a distance, but straight up assaulted by her description? sheeesh.. you don't have to be there to see some of those glaring holes...

good thing is I'm not the one on trial... so there's that.

Yea I don't doubt for a second that there was some sort of physical contact between her and someone there. If that's all it takes then I guess he's guilty. But it certainly doesn't sound like he did anything to hurt her or was overly aggressive or too rough. Sounds like she was hysterical (they haven't seen crazy yet, coked up, etc) and those present we're trying to remove a problem. From what information we've been privy to, it doesn't sound like he did anything wrong other than associate himself with a psycho (which isn't a criminal offense). From the sound of it, even (hypothetically) if no one there touched her at all if she hit someone and bruised her hand on them then she was "assaulted". No win situation and she knew it and manipulated everything because she was getting cut off and wanted her payday. Hopefully the details are taken into consideration by the organization and it's no just viewed as "he was found guilty of something by a bottom tier court, and it involved a woman, so he gotsta go". Not holding my breath on that though. I think it's a 50/50.