long term deal for hardy was never in the plans

[bleys]

We'll have to wait and see.  I honestly think Cason has a chance to be our best CB since Chris Gamble which honestly isn't saying a great deal.  I don't see Captain as a huge loss.  Maybe I'm wrong on that, we'll see.  I really wish we could've kept Mitchell because I think he was huge for us last year both in his play and his leadership/emotion.  Just like last year, our secondary is a big question mark going into the season.  Worked out pretty well last year and hopefully it will again this year.

 

I feel pretty much the same..  I'm actually excited for the secondary.  There's some actual talent there and I see no reason to assume we should expect a drop off at all after seeing what went down with the guys there last year..

[DaCityKats]

I don't know about you, but I think we are better off now than we were last year in the secondary.  And we didn't have to do anything ridiculous like pay Mitchell and Munneryn instead of Hardy.  JMO, of course.

 

I like Mitchell's demeanor, but you're also talking about taking away a key piece that helped the secondary look as good as it did and helped those guys get paid elsewhere..

true about helping the secondary (the DL), but better then last year is yet to be seen. i have some concerns with Harper, because of his coverage skills, and White being strictly a cover 2 type CB (and shouldn't be starting).i really hope to see Godfrey become healthy because i always felt like he would be better at CB, his more natural position then safety.

 

Godfrey and Cason on the outside with Bene playing the nickel is not that bad of a line up. DeCoud playing the free spot has some ball hawking abilities, and hopefully Lester can win the SS spot.

[Fan01]

Read it all people.  It says we are not and never really were going to give Hardy a long term deal BEFORE THE DEADLINE.  That doesn't mean we won't give him a long term deal.  And no matter how well he plays this year he can't really ask for much more money than he's wanting this year.  

 

Either he comes back down to earth and gets a reasonable deal or he really is the next great DE in the NFL and we franchise his butt again or sign him then to a long term deal with all the cap savings from cutting CJ.

 

This is a prove it year.  Prove that he's not a fluke.  Prove he can be consistent.  Prove he's somewhat mentally stable.  Seems like a win-win to me.

[j2sgam]

Lots of speculation in this here thread.. Nobody really knows what really is/has happened... What about this?

GHardy was what? In his 2nd year when CJ got his contract? He saw that, said "I'm gettin paid too!!", tacked on 30lbs that year to make himself stronger. Did alright.. Next year he cuts 15lbs to get faster and really balls out. We all know all he talked about after, and some during, the season about gettin paid big loot. And 15 sacks on the year is worth a big payday. Again, we all know that he had 7 in the last 2 games. That leaves 8 sacks in 14 games.. 15 on the year isn't really telling... I love the dude, love his attitude, his charisma, his playing. Not a comparison, but like Peppers, I want more consistency....

Once again... Gettleman inherited a mess, we know. He has handed out team friendly deals since he got here. Nothing more. Here is a DE on his team, 1 of the few 'coveted' positions on the team, who absolutely has a little left of center way of thinking. Perhaps Gman saw a slight consistency issue & tagged him because -

he wanted to see more than just 1 good year,

-has faith in Addison, Alexander & Horton. Ealy is bonus insurance, makin him look even better.

-doesn't have full trust in Hardys abilities (this could fall under the consistency thing)

-see that CJ is the better value regardless of contract. No motorcycle accident or pic of 100mph speedometer from him...

-could be Hardy wanted more than Gettleman was willing to offer...

-some other reason I can't come up with after 12 PBRs...

I could be way wrong, but I threw enough poo that something might've stuck... We don't know.. Enjoy Hardy while he's here, wish him the best if he leaves, as long as he doesn't sign with ATL, NO or TB. Hardy took 4 years to get his game up where it's at, we have a couple of young un's that are fixin to handle their business as well. Relax, enjoy the season, Gman got this, we're in good hands.....

Prob'ly drunk on miPhone using CarolinaHuddle...

[Woodie]

I don't understand why we franchised him if we didn't plan to sign him long term or try to trade him. Everyone points to the RB contracts and Beason as limiting our cap mobility, but that Hardy tag is HUGE this year. We may just be setting ourselves up to get Julius'd again.

 

Where do you get that we didn't plan to sign him long term?  None of the tweets even hinted at that, just that the plan was to wait and see how he did this year before committing to him.  Now I'm sure his latest problem could potentially make them second guess giving him a long term deal at all, even if he replicates last season, but since that occurred after he was given the tag it really doesn't play into whether or not their decision was the right one.

 

Yes, the team was negotiating with him, and I'm sure their stance was that if he was willing to accept a team friendly deal, they would absolutely lock him up.  But I seriously doubt they were willing to pony up anything significant until they felt more comfortable that he could have a repeat of last year.  And there was no way he was taking less than elite DE money...which is why no deal ever came close.

 

[davos]

I don't see the Ealy pick as questionable.  Hardy is playing under the franchise tag and CJ has a massive cap hit.  No matter what happens, I don't think Gettleman had any plans of both of them being here after this season.  I honestly think the plan was to keep Hardy long-term and make CJ a cap casualty, then Hardy had to go and get himself arrested and now the Panthers are backpedaling and acting like Hardy was never in the long-term plans and making themselves look like a bunch of amateur hacks in the process.

 

I agree with you but my set-backs are regarding Ealy as a prospect.  You take his strong talent and compare it to what was elsewhere at other positions and it's questionable in my view.  I'm rooting for him though but really only time will tell. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Where do you get that we didn't plan to sign him long term?  None of the tweets even hinted at that

 

 

Try re-reading those tweets again.

[Pantherman]

Even tho we got Ealy. All I see for now is a project that could be a big time pass rusher yet to be seen. But we are pinning all of our hopes on Ealy that he will become an elite pass rusher in 1 year time to take Hardy place if DG let's him walk after this year is plain crazy. I hope Ealy does become a good pass rusher. But you could be talking a few years down the road before he gets there or he could develope in one year. But I'm sure it will take a few years. But who knows right now. All I'm trying to say is I agree with KillerKat. Why waste 13 mill on Hardy this year if there is no long term plans to keep him. DG mind as well try to trade Hardy away for a future number 2 pick with a team that needs a DE and get it over with before the season starts. Then just rely Addison and the other DEs until Ealy is ready to start. Just keep CJ after this year and not worry about his contract. Wasting 13 mill Hardy is a waste of time if we don't sign him to long terms. Plain and simple.

[Woodie]

Try re-reading those tweets again.

 

I did, it says they never planned to give him a deal before the deadline.  Nothing about NEVER giving him a long term contract, just not before the deadline THIS year. 

 

And I already addressed the point of the reported negotiations.

[TheRumGone]

I'm a little baffled by all if this.

I wonder if they know more about the court case than the public (probably) or if this was always a wait and see type of deal. They know hardy better than all of us.

This is gonna be a big part of gettlemans legacy with the panthers...hopefully this big decision works out in our favor

[Woodie]

I'm a little baffled by all if this.

I wonder if they know more about the court case than the public (probably) or if this was always a wait and see type of deal. They know hardy better than all of us.

This is gonna be a big part of gettlemans legacy with the panthers...hopefully this big decision works out in our favor

 

I think they already had questions about Hardy, whether it's they saw the potential for complacency once paid, or were concerned that he'll do something stupid, or what.  But I do believe they had some significant reservations about him which is why they didn't want to give him a big contract this year.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

I did, it says they never planned to give him a deal before the deadline. Nothing about NEVER giving him a long term contract, just not before the deadline THIS year.

And I already addressed the point of the reported negotiations.

It's late and I had a big day but when I opened this I did not see anything substantial at first glance that would indicate the club had taken a particular position. Still don't. Not sure what the fuss is about.

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[iamhubby1]

Could we use the 13 mil we are paying Kraken on other positions? Sure. But the Powers that Be love their D-line. And Kraken makes our D-line outrageous. That, and they felt that what we have at other positions can get us through another year. Looking at it that way, they did what they think is right.

Or we could have used the Kraken money to upgrade the CB and OT positions. Then our D-line would be less than spectacular. Do you want to witness that D-line without Kraken just to upgrade a couple positions that may not be as bad as you think?

It all comes down to personal preference. Some folks would be happy with our D-line falling off to upgrade other spots. Whereas some folks would rather have a beastly D-line and let the kids and FA do what we hope they can.

Our D-line makes our D go. To me, and the Powers that Be, that is worth the risk of keeping Kraken at least one more year.

[TheRumGone]

Could we use the 13 mil we are paying Kraken on other positions? Sure. But the Powers that Be love their D-line. And Kraken makes our D-line outrageous. That, and they felt that what we have at other positions can get us through another year. Looking at it that way, they did what they think is right.

Or we could have used the Kraken money to upgrade the CB and OT positions. Then our D-line would be less than spectacular. Do you want to witness that D-line without Kraken just to upgrade a couple positions that may not be as bad as you think?

It all comes down to personal preference. Some folks would be happy with our D-line falling off to upgrade other spots. Whereas some folks would rather have a beastly D-line and let the kids and FA do what we hope they can.

Our D-line makes our D go. To me, and the Powers that Be, that is worth the risk of keeping Kraken at least one more year.

 

yup staying relevant.

 

what's gonna be tricky though is what happens next offseason. lots of big, big decisions in personnel that will have immediate and long term ramifications on the team. seemingly in a bigger way than most offseasons.