Ian Rappaport:J.Graham appeals decision

[saints4life25]

Haven't seen any details on the contract yet. What was the guaranteed?

ESPN says 4 years 40 million. 21 guaranteed.

[TheRed]

ESPN says 4 years 40 million. 21 guaranteed.

 

Nice chunk of change.

[saints4life25]

Nice chunk of change.

Pretty fair. Happy for Jimmy.

[bleys]

I wonder how hard their window is going to shut in a few years.   If at all, which would be shocking.

[panthers55]

They Saints were less than a minute away from being 5-3 on the road last season (they lost in the last minute to Carolina and New England). The road woes of the Saints were overblown by the media much like the receiving woes of the Panthers this offseason. The media gets stuck on something and won't let it go. The Pats were 3-5 away from Gillette as well, but you never heard about that.

In the playoffs they went on the road and beat Philly, who no one have them a shot to beat and had chance to tie with Seattle late in the game. Seattle deserved the W, but to act like the Saints just rolled over because they were on the road simply wasn't true.

And I was 2 numbers away from winning the Powerball lottery last February. I didn't win and the Saints had a losing record on the road.

 

Coulda shoulda woulda and 5 bucks might buy you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

[panthers55]

Another backloaded contract.  This year he counts 4 million against the cap and next year it will be 11 million.  Since the whole contract is worth 40 million, then the last 2 years must be worth 25 million or roughly 12.5 million a piece.  All I could access was the first 2 years.

 

Top 6 players on the team account for almost 80 million of the 140 million cap in 2015.  But NO won't be in cap hell in a year or two.........

[Bodybag]

Keep hope alive, I guess.

[LinvilleGorge]

Keep hope alive, I guess.

 

Keep hope alive?  If I recall correctly, we went 2-0 against the y'all last year on our way to winning the division.

[saints4life25]

Keep hope alive? If I recall correctly, we went 2-0 against the y'all last year on our way to winning the division.

You remember incorrectly. 1-1.

[LinvilleGorge]

You remember incorrectly. 1-1.

 

LOL!  Yep, I do. :)

[saints4life25]

LOL! Yep, I do. :)

Lol. You won the one that mattered the most, so the edge goes to the Panthers.

[saints4life25]

Another backloaded contract. This year he counts 4 million against the cap and next year it will be 11 million. Since the whole contract is worth 40 million, then the last 2 years must be worth 25 million or roughly 12.5 million a piece. All I could access was the first 2 years.

Top 6 players on the team account for almost 80 million of the 140 million cap in 2015. But NO won't be in cap hell in a year or two.........

It's still not quite as simple as looking at cap hits and determining the way a contract is payed out. He's making 14 million this year. He's being paid $13,000,000 of his $21,000,000 guaranteed this year. Meaning there's only $8,000,000 guarnteed through the rest of the contract.

[Bodybag]

But... there must be a way... some way... that this will destroy the Saints... ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

[panthers55]

It's still not quite as simple as looking at cap hits and determining the way a contract is payed out. He's making 14 million this year. He's being paid $13,000,000 of his $21,000,000 guaranteed this year. Meaning there's only $8,000,000 guarnteed through the rest of the contract.

You obviously are totally confusing salary and cap hit.  He got a 12 million signing bonus and 1 million in salary for a total salary of 13 million.  The 4 million cap hit comes from the 1 million salary and 3 million of the 12 million cap hit which hits now with the other 9 million is being prorated over the next 3 years.  But the dead cap money of 13 million if you cut him after 2014 is the 9 million of the signing bonus which accelerates if he is cut or traded and another 4 million guaranteed of his 2nd year salary.

 

The 8 million guarantee is for injury and the whole 8 million becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2015 waiver period  But while his salary and bonuses will be 8 million next year his cap hit will be 11 million. If you cut him in 2015 the dead cap hit would be 9 million or the remainder of his signing bonus.  In 2016 he may have no guaranteed money left but if you cut him you would still have a 6 million dead cap hit which is the remainder of the signing bonus which accelerates.

 

Truth is that salary is not really the issue, while cap hit and dead cap money are the much bigger issues.