Ian Rappaport:J.Graham appeals decision

[saints4life25]

How often was he matched up with a true top flight CB though? I remember Aqib Talib made him virtually disappear when Belichick stuck him on Graham. Most teams can't afford to do that because N.O. has dangerous WRs too and good WRs make the money that they do because they're primarily putting up their stats vs. starting caliber CBs not LBs and safeties.

If Graham doesn't like the way TEs are paid and thinks he should be paid like a WR then he should've became a WR instead.

Aren't top flight cornerbacks, top flight cornerbacks for a reason though? So a truly elite corner can shut down Jimmy? I'd say that's a good problem to have. I mean how often do you come across a corner the size of Talib? I don't know if you clicked on the article, but his stats didn't drop at all when covered by corners. Like I said, if it was as simple as sticking the #1 guy on him all game, why don't more people do it? He's head and shoulders the best receiving threat the Saints have.

[SCP]

I know it's easy to just read something over and over and perceive it as fact, but this simply isn't true. I know every time the Saints sign a contract everyone assumes it's backloaded and they're just kicking the can down the road, but it doesn't always work like that. If more fans had a better understanding of contracts and how they're structured, you'd see there's not many contracts on the Saints books that will hurt them going down the road. Either players will be retained because they're worth they're money, or they'll be cut with little financial reprexussion because they aren't worth the money.

If a contract is signed, and incredibly back loaded, but the majority of the guaranteed money is paid in the first few years, it becomes easy to replace a player that isn't worth the money anymore.

So pretty much the opposite of what Marty Hurney's dumbass did while he was coked up and piloting our ship.

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[saints4life25]

So pretty much the opposite of what Marty Hurney's dumbass did while he was coked up and piloting our ship.

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Basically. I wasn't going to go there lol. I try not to ruffle too many feathers. But Hurney is crucified for just throwing money around and Gman is praised for being tighter with the money, yet when Loomis says you're not worth any more than "this", the Saints should have handled things differently.

[LinvilleGorge]

Aren't top flight cornerbacks, top flight cornerbacks for a reason though? So a truly elite corner can shut down Jimmy? I'd say that's a good problem to have. I mean how often do you come across a corner the size of Talib? I don't know if you clicked on the article, but his stats didn't drop at all when covered by corners. Like I said, if it was as simple as sticking the #1 guy on him all game, why don't more people do it? He's head and shoulders the best receiving threat the Saints have.

 

He's head and shoulders better as a TE.  Stick him out there playing WR full time against starting NFL CBs and see how he fairs.  The article just broke down CB vs. non-CB.  Not all CBs are created equal.  The reason the elite WRs make the money they do is that they are constantly facing the oppositions best cover guys.  A TE doesn't have to deal with that.  If Jimmy thinks he can produce as a WR, then he should put his money where his mouth is.  Sign the TE franchise tender but tell N.O. that he is no longer a TE, but that he's going to play WR this year under the TE franchise tag to prove he deserves elite WR money.

 

I'm not sure why you're here on our board defending that ginger who is being a big pain in your asses.  Go back home.

[LinvilleGorge]

Basically. I wasn't going to go there lol. I try not to ruffle too many feathers. But Hurney is crucified for just throwing money around and Gman is praised for being tighter with the money, yet when Loomis says you're not worth any more than "this", the Saints should have handled things differently.

 

I think the Saints are pretty much handling this as well as they can.  It's Graham who is being ridiculous.

[saints4life25]

He's head and shoulders better as a TE. Stick him out there playing WR full time against starting NFL CBs and see how he fairs. The article just broke down CB vs. non-CB. Not all CBs are created equal. The reason the elite WRs make the money they do is that they are constantly facing the oppositions best cover guys. A TE doesn't have to deal with that. If Jimmy thinks he can produce as a WR, then he should put his money where his mouth is. Sign the TE franchise tender but tell N.O. that he is no longer a TE, but that he's going to play WR this year under the TE franchise tag to prove he deserves elite WR money.

I'm not sure why you're here on our board defending that ginger who is being a big pain in your asses. Go back home.

As I said, if it is that simple, why isn't it done more often? You worry about Lance Moore or Kenny Stills going for 1,300 yards and 16 TDs?

Meh, I'm here a lot. Don't post much unless it's Saints related. I post more here and on FalconsLife than I do on SR. I don't find he's being a pain in the ass. He's just handling it like it's a business. Which it is.

[panthers55]

I know it's easy to just read something over and over and perceive it as fact, but this simply isn't true. I know every time the Saints sign a contract everyone assumes it's backloaded and they're just kicking the can down the road, but it doesn't always work like that. If more fans had a better understanding of contracts and how they're structured, you'd see there's not many contracts on the Saints books that will hurt them going down the road. Either players will be retained because they're worth they're money, or they'll be cut with little financial reprexussion because they aren't worth the money.

If a contract is signed, and incredibly back loaded, but the majority of the guaranteed money is paid in the first few years, it becomes easy to replace a player that isn't worth the money anymore.

I think you appear to not know your team's contract situation instead of the other way around.

Here are the numbers.  The problem is not just the contracts but the guaranteed amounts.  We know what it is like and what cap hell looks like. The Saints are heading into it.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

 

Your top 6 guys combine for 46 million in 2014 and 81 million in 2015 for starters.

 

Brees- 18 million in 2014, 26 million in 2015, 27 million in 2016

 

Evans- 11 million in 2014, 11 million in 2015,

 

Grubbs- 9 million in 2014, 9.6 million in 2015,

 

Colston- 8.3 million in 2014, 9.7 million in 2015,

 

Graham- 7 million in 2014 but will be 14 or more in 2015.

 

Jarius Byrd- 3 million in 2014, 10 million in 2015

 

Need I go on......................

 

Look at the dead cap money and tell me they can just get rid of guys or that the cap hell isn't coming.  You are stuck with these contracts and they are going to reek havoc just like ours did this year.

[LinvilleGorge]

As I said, if it is that simple, why isn't it done more often? You worry about Lance Moore or Kenny Stills going for 1,300 yards and 16 TDs?

 

If I'm a coach, I absolutely do when he's split out into the slot.  It's a tougher situation when he's lined up tight because do you really want to drop a CB down into the box?  I think a lot of them are just painfully stubborn about sticking to their scheme.

[SCP]

I think you appear to not know your team's contract situation instead of the other way around.

Here are the numbers. The problem is not just the contracts but the guaranteed amounts. We know what it is like and what cap hell looks like. The Saints are heading into it.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

Your top 6 guys combine for 46 million in 2014 and 81 million in 2015 for starters.

Brees- 18 million in 2014, 26 million in 2015, 27 million in 2016

Evans- 11 million in 2014, 11 million in 2015,

Grubbs- 9 million in 2014, 9.6 million in 2015,

Colston- 8.3 million in 2014, 9.7 million in 2015,

Graham- 7 million in 2014 but will be 14 or more in 2015.

Jarius Byrd- 3 million in 2014, 10 million in 2015

Need I go on......................

Look at the dead cap money and tell me they can just get rid of guys or that the cap hell isn't coming. You are stuck with these contracts and they are going to reek havoc just like ours did this year.

See this is what I like to see. I hope to god that Loomis is digging himself a salary cap hole. But the salary cap is a mystery to me. Things never seem to work out like anticipated unless Hurney and Beane did the contract.

[saints4life25]

I think you appear to not know your team's contract situation instead of the other way around.

Here are the numbers. The problem is not just the contracts but the guaranteed amounts. We know what it is like and what cap hell looks like. The Saints are heading into it.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

Your top 6 guys combine for 46 million in 2014 and 81 million in 2015 for starters.

Brees- 18 million in 2014, 26 million in 2015, 27 million in 2016

Evans- 11 million in 2014, 11 million in 2015,

Grubbs- 9 million in 2014, 9.6 million in 2015,

Colston- 8.3 million in 2014, 9.7 million in 2015,

Graham- 7 million in 2014 but will be 14 or more in 2015.

Jarius Byrd- 3 million in 2014, 10 million in 2015

Need I go on......................

Look at the dead cap money and tell me they can just get rid of guys or that the cap hell isn't coming. You are stuck with these contracts and they are going to reek havoc just like ours did this year.

If Drew goes into next year having a 26 mil cap hit and 27 the year after that, I will post a thread on the main board about how I was wrong and will never post here again. It's just not going to happen.

I think Grubbs and Byrds deals will stay the same, but I would bet there will be a change with Evans and Colston. Byrd had a tiny cap hit this year, but other than that his contrat is spread fairly evenly. I wouldn't call it backloaded. There's a reason Brees deal hasn't been touched. There's such a clear line in that contract to where something will be worked out.

Before the offseason, everyone claimed the Saints were in cap hell and wouldn't be able to sign Graham. Not only are they able to do that, but also handed out another huge contract. Loomis is a genius with the numbers. I'll continue trusting him, while rival teams continue to talk about cap hell every year.

[saints4life25]

If I'm a coach, I absolutely do when he's split out into the slot. It's a tougher situation when he's lined up tight because do you really want to drop a CB down into the box? I think a lot of them are just painfully stubborn about sticking to their scheme.

That's why having a Talib only happens once in 16 games. Talib followed him everywhere. In the box and all. You can't do that with every corner. And he was lined up in the slot 67% of the time. Yet hardly anyone slid their #1 corner down to him. It's just not that simple. He was beating corners too.

[LinvilleGorge]

That's why having a Talib only happens once in 16 games. Talib followed him everywhere. In the box and all. You can't do that with every corner. And he was lined up in the slot 67% of the time. Yet hardly anyone slid their #1 corner down to him. It's just not that simple. He was beating corners too.

 

Yet over the hill, lost a couple of steps Steve Smith could still toy with Talib.  Schooled him so bad he had to go take a seat.

[PandaPancake]

Still no sane reason as to why Saints fans post here.

[TheRumGone]

Loomis is a genius with the numbers. I'll continue trusting him, while rival teams continue to talk about cap hell every year.

This is what 90% of panthers fans were saying about hurney. Trust me dude you are in for a rude awakening.