Ian Rappaport:J.Graham appeals decision

[panthers55]

But... there must be a way... some way... that this will destroy the Saints... ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

Truth is that we are not really worried about the Saints. First of all we have clearly shown we can beat them when it matters and frankly we are only getting better.  We don't need the Saints to get destroyed, it is called rotting from within.  Truth is everyone thought that Payton coming back would make all the difference and clearly it didn't.  Honestly I dislike the Falcons much more than the Saints.   

 

Don't act like everyone cares about the Saints at all because they don't.  The only reason that we care at all about the Saints is because they are in the same division not because we because they are the class of the NFC like Seattle.

[PandaPancake]

But... there must be a way... some way... that this will destroy the Saints... ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

Me and the other illuminatis in our scuba gear and c4 tried in 2005. Didn't work so well

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[saints4life25]

You obviously are totally confusing salary and cap hit. He got a 12 million signing bonus and 1 million in salary for a total salary of 13 million. The 4 million cap hit comes from the 1 million salary and 3 million of the 12 million cap hit which hits now with the other 9 million is being prorated over the next 3 years. But the dead cap money of 13 million if you cut him after 2014 is the 9 million of the signing bonus which accelerates if he is cut or traded and another 4 million guaranteed of his 2nd year salary.

The 8 million guarantee is for injury and the whole 8 million becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2015 waiver period But while his salary and bonuses will be 8 million next year his cap hit will be 11 million. If you cut him in 2015 the dead cap hit would be 9 million or the remainder of his signing bonus. In 2016 he may have no guaranteed money left but if you cut him you would still have a 6 million dead cap hit which is the remainder of the signing bonus which accelerates.

Truth is that salary is not really the issue, while cap hit and dead cap money are the much bigger issues.

I understand the whole concept, although $14 million has been stuck in my head all day and I'm not sure why. Either way I expect him to play out the entirety of this contract and earn all 40 million, so the dead money isn't really worrisome to me. Much like Byrds contract, I see nothing wrong with it being worth $2.5 million more the last few years. I trust Loomis has the big picture in mind when structuring them. While you sit and wait for the cap hell days, I'll enjoy living in the now, and hoping for the best in a few years.

You have helped me look more into the contracts of the players the next few years, so I appreciate the conversation. Thanks for being civil, for the most part lol. Have a good evening man.

[panthers55]

I understand the whole concept, although $14 million has been stuck in my head all day and I'm not sure why. Either way I expect him to play out the entirety of this contract and earn all 40 million, so the dead money isn't really worrisome to me. Much like Byrds contract, I see nothing wrong with it being worth $2.5 million more the last few years. I trust Loomis has the big picture in mind when structuring them. While you sit and wait for the cap hell days, I'll enjoy living in the now, and hoping for the best in a few years.

You have helped me look more into the contracts of the players the next few years, so I appreciate the conversation. Thanks for being civil, for the most part lol. Have a good evening man.

I suspect that you and Loomis are alike in living for today and not worrying about the future.  Trust me, none of us care about how the Saints do their business and only debate it when Saint fans come here.  Honestly If the Saints were winning superbowls and winning the division each year it might be different, but lets be real here.  They won 1 superbowl when they played every game at home and won the division no more than we have.  It isn't like New England who have won their division 10 times.

 

I would rather the Saints win the division than the Falcons.  I can't speak for all Panther fans but honestly I am much more focused on the rise of the Panthers than I am in the demise of the Saints.

[Bodybag]

Clearly.

[saints4life25]

I suspect that you and Loomis are alike in living for today and not worrying about the future. Trust me, none of us care about how the Saints do their business and only debate it when Saint fans come here. Honestly If the Saints were winning superbowls and winning the division each year it might be different, but lets be real here. They won 1 superbowl when they played every game at home and won the division no more than we have. It isn't like New England who have won their division 10 times.

I would rather the Saints win the division than the Falcons. I can't speak for all Panther fans but honestly I am much more focused on the rise of the Panthers than I am in the demise of the Saints.

Ugh. Most of you say we're doomed after Brees leaves so why would we not be going all in? Look at the Broncos and the Pats as well. Teams who know hey have a window. Brees won't be around forever, so what exactly is the point in wasting away the last years of great production out of Brees planning for the future? You can keep your glasses on and pretend the Saints aren't legit Super Bowl contenders all you want, but the fact is, they are. I have no problem saying the Panthers are legit. I'm not sure why it's hard for you to admit that the Saints are.

So go ahead and continue arguing points that I keep trying to move on from, while consistently saying you're not in the least worried about the Saints. The Panthers have a legit chance at the division, so I am concerned about them. I have no problem admitting that.

[panthers55]

Ugh. Most of you say we're doomed after Brees leaves so why would we not be going all in? Look at the Broncos and the Pats as well. Teams who know hey have a window. Brees won't be around forever, so what exactly is the point in wasting away the last years of great production out of Brees planning for the future? You can keep your glasses on and pretend the Saints aren't legit Super Bowl contenders all you want, but the fact is, they are. I have no problem saying the Panthers are legit. I'm not sure why it's hard for you to admit that the Saints are.

So go ahead and continue arguing points that I keep trying to move on from, while consistently saying you're not in the least worried about the Saints. The Panthers have a legit chance at the division, so I am concerned about them. I have no problem admitting that.

I told you that the concern we have about the Saints is because they are in the division but if they were in the NFC North for example I would have no more concern than I do for the Bears or the Packers.

 

As I have told you before when the Saints show they can win on the road more than 1 time in their playoff history then I might consider them legitimate contenders.  Until then the only time I worry about them is when we play them in the dome.  Otherwise, not so much.

[PandaPancake]

^ That's cool and all but you're bringing legitimate points when some of us are just here for the lulz

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