Target sees the Redskins end game

[TheRed]

The man who named the team the "redskins" in the 1930's was a known racist who was heavily opposed to racial integration.

 

Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with skin color.

[TheRed]

Here's a little more about George Preston Marshall, the man who named the team.

 

Legacy

 

His legacy includes the George Preston Marshall Foundation which serves the interests of children in the Washington, DC area. The $6 million he left had the qualification that none of it could be used "for any purpose which supports or employs the principle of racial integration."

Racism

 

Marshall has gained infamy for his intractable opposition to having African-Americans on his roster. According to professor Charles Ross, "For 24 years Marshall was identified as the leading racist in the NFL".^[4] Though the league had previously had a sprinkling of black players, blacks were excluded from all NFL teams in 1933. While the rest of the league began signing individual blacks in 1946 and actually drafting blacks in 1949, Marshall held out until 1962 before signing a black player. Along with his own personal views, Marshall refused to sign African-American players because of a desire to appeal to Southern markets, which lacked an NFL team until Dallas entered the league in 1960.^[5] His intractability was routinely mocked in Washington Post columns by legendary writer Shirley Povich, who sarcastically used terms from the civil rights movement and related court cases to describe games: for instance, he once wrote that Jim Brown "integrated" the end zone, making the score "separate but unequal".

 

Finally, in 1962, Interior Secretary Stewart Udall and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy issued an ultimatum — unless Marshall signed a black player, the government would revoke the Redskins' 30-year lease on the year-old D.C. Stadium (now Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium), which had been paid for by government money and was owned by the Washington city government (which, then as now, is formally an arm of the federal government). Marshall's chief response was to make Ernie Davis, Syracuse's all-American running back, his number-one draft choice for 1962. Davis, however, demanded a trade, saying, "I won't play for that S.O.B."^{[citation needed]} He got his wish, as the team sent him to Cleveland for All-Pro Bobby Mitchell. Mitchell was the first African American football player to play a game for the Redskins, and he played with the team for several years, initially at running back, but he made his biggest impact at wide receiver.

 

[Gay Cowboy]

Bigotry, bigotry everywhere.

[Growl]

please answer the following question: would you call a native american "redskin" to his face?

like if you saw a native american walking by, would you say "hey redskin!" and wave? if someone did that would you consider it appropriate?

What I do is irrelevant, the Redskins name has taken on it's own essence.

Ultimately though what I'm speaking of is the idiotic naivete of liberals that believe we should all hold hands in a drum circle singing, disregarding each racial and cultural difference between us so. "Coming together as a people" isnt truly coming together as a world to the liberally minded man, it's "coming together" under the liberal banner and every ideology they hold up while portraying themselves as independent and open minded, progressive and enlightened. Acting like they arent just another segment of the population with a broad list of selfish ideals.

[Growl]

It's a shame Growl doesn't post in the tinderbox more often, I think he would give MadHatter a run for his money.

i would buit every time i visit i just see other posters enlightening you or holding you up intellectually when you can't do so yourself, so I feel like the job is done.

[Wyank]

please answer the following question: would you call a native american "redskin" to his face?

 

like if you saw a native american walking by, would you say "hey redskin!" and wave? if someone did that would you consider it appropriate?

 

I see what you are getting at but ..

 

If you saw a native american walking by, would you say, "Hey native american!" and wave?  If someone did that, would you consider it appropriate?

[TheRed]

i would buit every time i visit i just see other posters enlightening you or holding you up intellectually when you can't do so yourself, so I feel like the job is done.

 

I don't think you've mentioned liberals enough in this thread Growl.

[TheRed]

So none of the people raging about political correctness wants to talk about the origin of the name starting with the original racist owner?

[Jeremy Igo]

So none of the people raging about political correctness wants to talk about the origin of the name starting with the original racist owner?

 

That would not be beneficial for them, so... no.

[PhillyB]

I see what you are getting at but ..

 

If you saw a native american walking by, would you say, "Hey native american!" and wave?  If someone did that, would you consider it appropriate?

 

saying "hey native american!" would be weird.

 

saying "hey redskin!" would be racist.

 

why are people so insistent on creating every false equivalency imaginable to avoid admitting that maybe it's a messed-up term reflecting the worst parts of a bygone era?

[Kakarot]

It's a shame Growl doesn't post in the tinderbox more often, I think he would give MadHatter a run for his money.

While waiting for my flight at the airport, I was lurking in the tinderbox. At first, I was shocked by some of the post. That shock quickly disappeared, though. Wasn't surprised by the posts, because you can tell a lot about people on here by how they post in the panthers and hornets section. So, it's no shock that some folks in here "just don't understand" or they're against changing the name.

The term is clearly racist, and the name should be changed.

[Wyank]

saying "hey native american!" would be weird.

 

saying "hey redskin!" would be racist.

 

why are people so insistent on creating every false equivalency imaginable to avoid admitting that maybe it's a messed-up term reflecting the worst parts of a bygone era?

 

I never said Redskins wasn't racist.  Just pointing out both can lead to an argument and not the greatest way to get the point across.  

[SCP]

Am I allowed to say "Eat my poo you white trash Redskin fan" when I see a white trash Redskin fan walking around with ugly ass Redskin stuff on?

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[Frizzy350]

So none of the people raging about political correctness wants to talk about the origin of the name starting with the original racist owner?

Im sure the man who chose the name was racist against blacks, but so was much of america in the 1930s. While he wouldnt allow blacks to play on his team, he did have native american players.

Origin of name was chosen because they used to be the boston braves. To avoid confusing with the braves baseball team it was changed to redskin to keep the logo.

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