Vonleh observation / concern

[WOW!!]

I could be wrong but didn't all the scouting reports say he lacked instinct and/or was slow at times?

Our whole team shot poorly so maybe it's a team prep problem?

I'm not going to go crazy over a players 1st summer league game. However I wouldn't mind seeing some facts on poor summer league play projecting NBA careers.

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Trey Burke and Drummond had poor summer league outings.

[stan786]

Certainly not crowning him a bust. Has way too much upside and is still alittle raw.

I would have drafted him at 9 knowing we could get PJ later, so that should tell you all you need to know.

Doesnt mean I am not gonna notice things and have concerns.

Fair enough, I guess I saw less issues with athleticism and more issues with confidence of what he's doing and hesitations that lead to bad plays, but I also am no basketball expert. At least it's only summer league at the moment and he can work through his issues easier.

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[CarolinaPanthers8789]

It is possible you are right and that I could be making a wrong assumption. After all it is just one game.

However, there is still a chance I am correct and that is a real issue.

Vonleh is not your conventional project. He is quite skilled and advanced as a player. The complete opposite of Biz.

Where Vonleh is gonna have to improve is on his IQ and feel for the game.

Okay now we're getting somewhere. I did see some basketball IQ issues out there that certainly need to be corrected and he had a few moments where you wondered what he was doing (one was on the slow rotation to the basket where I believe Nedovic got an AND I).

There are some concerns but I think our staff can work out the kinks.

[MedellinHeel]

By the way, fast twitch can be trained.

I know this because the strength and conditioning coach at my college is one of the best in the country.

Stack has developed comprehensive plyometric training regimens to help change type I fibers to type Ii fibers and plyometrics, Olympic training, strength training, and speed training are just a few types of training regimens that will help players change those type I fibers to type II fibers.

 

 

 

Twitch is not solely or directly reliant on muscles. Twitch is primarily based on your instincts ie doing things without thinking or thinking 1 step ahead of your opponent. Then again the latter is probably IQ and not instincts/twitch. 

 

I think of explosiveness with what you are describing above. Not so much twitch. 

 

But I am sure there have been players who gained that twitch later in their career. 

 

So, I guess we will all have to take a wait n see approach. 

[WOW!!]

By the way, fast twitch can be trained.

I know this because the strength and conditioning coach at my college is one of the best in the country.

Stack has developed comprehensive plyometric training regimens to help change type I fibers to type Ii fibers and plyometrics, Olympic training, strength training, and speed training are just a few types of training regimens that will help players change those type I fibers to type II fibers.

Dude your way to smart to be in this conversation.

Plain and simple slow reaction due to being in a new environment can be seen as a "quick twitch problem".

Not to mention we're talking about a high school JR (who rectified ) playing pro ball in a year and a half.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Key word is can.

Twitch is not solely or directly reliant on muscles. Twitch is primarily based on your instincts ie doing things without thinking or thinking 1 step ahead of your opponent.

I think of explosiveness with what you are describing above. Not so much twitch.

But I am sure there have been players who gained that twitch later in their career.

So, I guess we will all have to take a wait n see approach.

Twitch is actually related to the fibers in your body and are actually more susceptible to being corrected than instincts.

Instincts are mostly mental and if you have poor instincts it will be nearly impossible to correct those as your brain is telling your body that you are doing something right that is obviously not right.

Check out Stack.com, there is some good stuff there that I used when I was trying to further my soccer career.

[Proudiddy]

There are getting ready to be some real changes to this forum and some posters' ability to use it if things don't tighten up.  This thread has been a trainwreck.

 

Enough of the personal crap.  And if you are going to make a thread or post, include reasons and some substance behind your argument...  And if you don't, and are pretty much asking a question, keep it in an already viable thread pertaining to the subject.  And don't get offended when people find your post to be ill-thought.  Otherwise, don't post.  These pissing contests are getting far too frequent and over really stupid stuff. 

 

Get it together, huddlers.

 

[WOW!!]

There are getting ready to be some real changes to this forum and some posters' ability to use it if things don't tighten up. This thread has been a trainwreck.

Enough of the personal crap. And if you are going to make a thread or post, include reasons and some substance behind your reasoning... Otherwise, don't post. These pissing contests are getting far too frequent and over really stupid stuff.

Get it together, huddlers.

Prodiddy just lock this thread. There were obvious alternative motive in the making of this thread.

[MedellinHeel]

Twitch is actually related to the fibers in your body and are actually more susceptible to being corrected than instincts.

Instincts are mostly mental and if you have poor instincts it will be nearly impossible to correct those as your brain is telling your body that you are doing something right that is obviously not right.

Check out Stack.com, there is some good stuff there that I used when I was trying to further my soccer career.

 

When I think of instincts I do not think of mental (atleast not in the cognitive thought process). It is something that is innate which just happens without really thinking about it. Purely split second reactions. 

 

But I can tell, instincts and twitch look alot different on an unathletic person lol. 

[Proudiddy]

Prodiddy just lock this thread. There were obvious alternative motive in the making of this thread.

If he has a valid reason behind it and actually wants to discuss his "observation/concern," then he is free to do so.  But, I agree, there are quite a few posters here lately that seem to have other reasons behind their posts, and/or have no reason behind them whatsoever other than to start an argument.

 

The warning has been issued.

[Jakob]

I'm reading Vonleh scored 0 points. That can't be right. I'm 100% sure I watched him score on a nice spin move in the post. Unless someone else was wearing #1 I know I'm not making this up. I even remember the announcer saying Noah Vonleh with the bucket.

[WOW!!]

If he has a valid reason behind it and actually wants to discuss his "observation/concern," then he is free to do so. But, I agree, there are quite a few posters here lately that seem to have other reasons behind their posts, and/or have no reason behind them whatsoever other than to start an argument.

The warning has been issued.

I agree if the reasoning is solid.

You will notice how easily 1 rookie struggle was dismissed as "being cold" but the other may have a problem that can't be corrected.

[Gay Cowboy]

Vonleh has 20 pts & 12 reb per game potential......

4-6 years down the road. He's only 18. Americans are too damn impatient. Comparing him to freaking Davis is comical. Davis couldn't dream of being as good as Vonleh; now or anytime.

[YoungPanthers89]

The Hornets section has become particularly hostile