PJ's Agent not certified

[teeray]

Where there is smoke there is usually a fire...

No disrespect intended, but this is the worst saying in the world IMO.

Mainly because it isn't true, it is a way to imply guilt for something without real evidence.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

No disrespect intended, but this is the worst saying in the world IMO.

Mainly because it isn't true, it is a way to imply guilt for something without real evidence.

It's a very true statement. Association is real, I've seen it bring down a lot of my old friends.

There are cases when it's not, but there are a lot of cases when it is.

I've said before that my goal isn't to slam P.J., it's to see him get help before it's too late.

However, according to some on here, we should just wait until he gets arrested/suspended to get him help.

[MedellinHeel]

I agree people need to talk to PJ and needs a guy to watch his back and keep him straight. 

 

As what you said is true, possibility he could get in trouble even without doing anything wrong. 

 

But I am not gonna sit here and drag the dude over the coals until he actually does something that causes him issues with Cha. 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I don't want to drag the dude over coals, I want to see him mature. He's got so much talent, it would be a shame if he didn't get to use it.

[teeray]

It's a very true statement. Association is real, I've seen it bring down a lot of my old friends.

There are cases when it's not, but there are a lot of cases when it is.

I've said before that my goal isn't to slam P.J., it's to see him get help before it's too late.

However, according to some on here, we should just wait until he gets arrested/suspended to get him help.

I'm not talking about just association. Just the statement of "where there is smoke..." it is a bs saying and I have seen it used to tear down people who didn't deserve it.

I wasn't even really referring to PJ either. Just ranting about that old saying which is not true.

It is a weird pet peeve of mine

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'm not talking about just association. Just the statement of "where there is smoke..." it is a bs saying and I have seen it used to tear down people who didn't deserve it.

I wasn't even really referring to PJ either. Just railing against that old saying that is not true.

Well look at the context I used it in.

I was specifically referring to association. Nothing more and nothing less.

[teeray]

Well look at the context I used it in.

I was specifically referring to association. Nothing more and nothing less.

I wasn't talking about association specifically, but the saying is still terrible in that context.

You are juxtaposing the sins of someone on to someone else by mere association. Most people don't adhere to all the same principles of the people the associate with. That is an unfair assumption.

I have a close friend that I would consider a racist. My association with him does not make me a bigot and racist as well.

Lebron was boys with Maurice Clarett, but that doesn't mean he is guilty of Maurice's sins.

I do agree you that PJ would be better served to associate with better people, but at the same time I don't think it is fair to judge him based on who he associates with.

[Rules&Regulations]

Both the Hornets and PJ are idiots for not checking to see whether an "agent" with ZERO other clients is legitimate. If it's a big agency representing many athletes, I could see why PJ might just assume the agent is legit, but if it's this friggin guy who reps NOBODY you check into that ish.

[MedellinHeel]

Its obvious his rep is a friend or a friend of a friend. 

 

 

[Chief_Chokeaho]

Lol MedellinHeel is the definition of a homer. Had PJ played for Duke he would be calling for his head.

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[MedellinHeel]

Lol MedellinHeel is the definition of a homer. Had PJ played for Duke he would be calling for his head.

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You are badly mistaken. 

 

Anytime we have a talented player, regardless of what school they come from. I would be for doing what ever it took to keep them on the team and looking the other way as much as possible. 

 

We are a much better team with Pj than without. 

 

If we would have drafted Parker and he got a DUI and a rape charge over the summer id still be for him being innocent until proven guilty and remaining / playing on our team. 

[ckad79]

I've heard a few people knock on the team's front office for not checking out the credential of PJ's agent? Is that a real thing? Do teams do background checks on player's agents? Doubtful. To me, it is up to the player to have a legit person represent them over legal matters and if their attorney or lawyer isn't legit, it falls back onto the player.

 

I can picture it now... PJ meeting some shady dude outside the 7-11, tossing him some phony business cards. PJ obviously ate it up. It is really dumb on his part. Every year, tons of kids leave college for the pros and hire legit people to present them and look over their contracts. He was played by a con artist. I don't knock the Hornets for trusting a player for having a legit agent on his side. Every other kid does it. It isn't asking for a lot.

 

*** Then again, in fairness to PJ he was probably high when he agreed to let him represent him ***

 

PS: Has anybody been to his agent's website? Look at this long list of talent they have signed. http://www.umgglobal.com/athletes/ haha PJ is it. If I had one athlete, I don't think I would create a section called "Our Athletes".

[teeray]

I've heard a few people knock on the team's front office for not checking out the credential of PJ's agent? Is that a real thing? Do teams do background checks on player's agents? Doubtful. To me, it is up to the player to have a legit person represent them over legal matters and if their attorney or lawyer isn't legit, it falls back onto the player.

I can picture it now... PJ meeting some shady dude outside the 7-11, tossing him some phony business cards. PJ obviously ate it up. It is really dumb on his part. Every year, tons of kids leave college for the pros and hire legit people to present them and look over their contracts. He was played by a con artist. I don't knock the Hornets for trusting a player for having a legit agent on his side. Every other kid does it. It isn't asking for a lot.

*** Then again, in fairness to PJ he was probably high when he agreed to let him represent him ***

Yes it is a real thing. Potential draftees are not members of the NBAPA until after they sign their first contract.

The issue of verifying certification can be confusing for these guys coming out of college. So much so that some pro leagues waive agent certification for rookie contracts, and it only applies for veterans.

The NBAPA regulations and even the Sporting News article both say that it is the responsibility of the team to verify certification before negotiating a contract.

The NBAPA is in charge of the background checks for the certification that they then send to the teams.

The teams are given updated lists of certified agents every 2 weeks to help them with this.

There is a reason that the teams are subject to fines for this and not the players.

However, I also think that given PJ"s checkered past it would have made more sense for him to have hired a more experienced agent, and in doing so may have prevented all of this from happening, including the YMCA stuff.

[Tub of Goo]

-PJ has definitely smoked weed at least once. If you don't believe this you are a naive idiot

-I am OK with this as long as it doesn't affect his play, the NBA is not so he'll have to tighten up (alcohol is worse than marijuana but that's a whole other debate)

-everyone wants him to succeed hopefully being in Vegas for summer league will weaken those bad connections back in NC

I think he'll be OK, he'll be so busy once the regular season starts he won't be able to keep up with all those old friends