Four Teams have Expressed Interest in Andre Johnson

[CarolinaSamurai]

I'm trying to go easy on you here, but you've already flip flopped from saying he did take a pay cut, to now saying he didn't.

If you are going to lecture someone, at least understand what you are talking about first, which clearly you don't.

Your chosen a hard definition and that's fine. What I was attempting and apparently failing for you to understand that taking less money in a year is tantamount to a pay cut since that's the actual money he gets that year.

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[TheRumGone]

Specifically it's bad in the long run, vs the short term. In the short term it's good in the long run it's bad. But the idea every player will get all the money at the end of the contract is bull and rarely happens. Other then guaranteed money they rarely get the rest, pay attention to the previous strike and the complaints there in of actual pay vs "future pay"

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The total amount of money the player receives doesn't matter. It's about the cap hits. That's all that matters. We got rid of smitty for this reason and although Andre's production is much higher than smittys it's literally the same scenario. We can't afford him later. We just can't with the contracts coming up. The risk/reward is too high. He's older with a future cap hit skyrocketing in later years when we have young elite studs that need to get paid so they can be with us for their prime. Andre is dwindling down.

So while the immediate gratification would be great, long term it would be a disaster. We gotta trust our draft picks the next couple of years to go with this core we have. I don't expect any major signings for years.

And thered's point is valid. Andre is asking to be surrounded by talent but he has major cap hits. Restructuring isn't going to help a team that is building themselves up. It's kind of like us but not to the extreme. He has to take a paycut a la Charles Godfrey.

[TheRed]

If you want to read up on the whole situation from the point of few of people who are actually familiar with the Texans, read this.

 

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/07/11/the-reason-for-the-andre-johnson-situation/

[TheRed]

After reading that please come back and tell me just how badly Andre Johnson wants to win.

 

What does he want more though? Money. Which is why he would be more than willing to do another "restructure".

[CarolinaSamurai]

If you want to read up on the whole situation from the point of few of people who are actually familiar with the Texans, read this.

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/07/11/the-reason-for-the-andre-johnson-situation/

From the article makes my point

"There has been talk on how Andre Johnson restructured for the team to make other personnel moves and get under the salary cap. Johnson took the restructures in good faith and he benefited from poor cap management that has pushed his cap numbers these next three seasons 14+ million with his base salary being turned into instant cash in his Pocket."

He restructured in good faith he also took less money. The team managed the cap badly. I don't blame him and stand by my point that he has done a lot to help his team.

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[CarolinaCoolin]

Nobody said he was selfish for wanting to be paid well, or arguing that he didn't deserve the contract he has. What makes him look ridiculous is wanting to remain the highest paid player on his team while also wanting an infinite amount of talent around him. Can't always get both.

You are arguing that he needs to take a pay cut. So by extension you are arguing he doesn't deserve that money anymore.

He wants out of Texas. Texans don't want to let him go. If anything that's on the organization and not him. He doesn't look bad at all wanting to play for another team. He gave his all to them and now he wants to move on. But then again you love to make players look bad for no reason so continue on with whatever you do

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[TheRed]

From the article makes my point

"There has been talk on how Andre Johnson restructured for the team to make other personnel moves and get under the salary cap. Johnson took the restructures in good faith and he benefited from poor cap management that has pushed his cap numbers these next three seasons 14+ million with his base salary being turned into instant cash in his Pocket."

He restructured in good faith he also took less money. The team managed the cap badly. I don't blame him and stand by my point that he has done a lot to help his team.

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That makes your point?

 

Um, from the same exact quote you provided...

 

he benefited from poor cap management that has pushed his cap numbers these next three seasons 14+ million with his base salary being turned into instant cash in his Pocket.

 

That was your "point" bursting into flames...

[TheRed]

You are arguing that he needs to take a pay cut. So by extension you are arguing he doesn't deserve that money anymore.

He wants out of Texas. Texans don't want to let him go. If anything that's on the organization and not him. He doesn't look bad at all wanting to play for another team. He gave his all to them and now he wants to move on. But then again you love to make players look bad for no reason so continue on with whatever you do

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I'm not the one making the demands. He is. The simple fact is that if he wants to win so badly, and wants to show his ass to do it, he is going to have to take one for the team, and no that does not mean asking for another restructure so he get even more money up front.

 

As for your silly false insinuation at the end, you sought me out and quoted me, so don't get all pissy because we don't see eye to eye.

[CarolinaSamurai]

That makes your point?

Um, from the same exact quote you provided...

That was your "point" bursting into flames...

Wrong, he "would" considering he's not just staying on the team or restructuring therefore not getting that big payout your quoting. He would be a jerk if he just stayed on the team and took the money. So again where are these flames? That are bursting?

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[TheRed]

Good grief. At this point this thread might be beyond saving...

 

Get out while you still can!

 

[RoaringRiot]

That makes your point?

Um, from the same exact quote you provided...

That was your "point" bursting into flames...

Hahaha....damn it I HATE when I have to agree with Red. Sorry CarolinaSam but you're all over the place on this one and almost entirely wrong.

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[AU-panther]

He's mad because his team can't find a QB worth a damn, but he conveniently ignores the fact that the majority of the Texans salary cap is tied up on him. Want better talent around you? Take a pay cut. Until then sitting out just makes him look pretty bad. That's all there is to it.

 

To say that his contract is tying up the majority of the teams salary cap is a bit of an overstatement.  Up until this year his contract has been quite cap friendly for the team considering his production and position. 

 

Also if he was tying up all of their salary cap how would you explain the fact that they have 10 million in cap space (which is more then what most teams have) this year according to overthecap.com?

 

I would say talent evaluation/development and coaching has contributed more to their lack of quarterback play then his contract.

 

 

 

[TheRed]

To say that his contract is tying up the majority of the teams salary cap is a bit of an overstatement.  Up until this year his contract has been quite cap friendly for the team considering his production and position. 

 

Also if he was tying up all of their salary cap how would you explain the fact that they have 10 million in cap space (which is more then what most teams have) this year according to overthecap.com?

 

I would say talent evaluation/development and coaching has contributed more to their lack of quarterback play then his contract.

 

Right now his cap hit is at $15,644,583, the next players closest to that are Jonathan Joseph at $11,250,000, and Arian Foster at $8,500,000. I have to disagree about it being an overstatement. It's pretty obvious he is a major factor in the team being unable to better the roster.

 

As for the "lack" of QB. Schaub struggled last year, but before that he had a 90+ QB rating with the Texans for 5 straight seasons.

[AU-panther]

Right now his cap hit is at $15,644,583, the next players closest to that are Jonathan Joseph at $11,250,000, and Arian Foster at $8,500,000. I have to disagree about it being an overstatement. It's pretty obvious he is a major factor in the team being unable to better the roster.

 

As for the "lack" of QB. Schaub struggled last year, but before that he had a 90+ QB rating with the Texans for 5 straight seasons.

 

The reason for his cap number being so high is that he has restructured it several times to help the team.  His original contract was quite favorable for the team. 

 

While I agree with you that his cap number for this year and the next two are quite high I still don't feel he is the major reason for the teams lack of talent.

 

I'm not defending his decision to hold out.  My only point is that his contract has been quite fair to the team and in no way is the "major factor" in their lack of success.