Underrated/Overrated

[The Huddler]

Russell Wilson. Does nothing special and rides his stacked team.

Going back to my op, yes I was too stern and coarse with my statement. RW is amazing outside of the pocket on the scramble. He has a true knack for finding that open dude when the play went to poo and he's scrambling.

I do stand by the fact that his team and the system he's in makes him look better than he really is. Like I've made points before, he simply doesn't control the offense an elite QB would. He makes most of his plays outside of the pocket, with the benefit of having the best run game in the NFL to run the fake off of. He is a good QB, but I want to see him make his living IN the pocket instead of out of it. I would also like to see him on and offense where he is THE man instead of being one of them.

He is over rated. Plain and simple. Sorry some disagree, but that my opinion. Leaving thread!

[TheRumGone]

So basically you don't know what a game manager is and my post pointing that out is reaffirmed. Ok good deal.

[updownsigma]

Next you'll claim that kickers and manning have an advantage playing in Denver because of the thinner air. Playing in a dome is just as difficult as any other other stadium. I mean look at all the dome teams that have won the Super Bowl in recent years. I can't think of any off the top of my head but I'm sure there's at least one in the past 60 years

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No idea what your point is, but the Rams, Colts, and Saints are domed teams that won the SB recently.

But either way that's a very very minor part of the argument for Brees being overrated.

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[CelticCat]

1) a players contract has nothing to do with being under/over rated. If that was the case, every guy still on a rookie contract (about 33% of the league), could be called underrated.

2) no one one here was sad to see Smitty go because of his production. That was gone years ago. It was the emotional attachment people had after 13 years with him, that made the release heartbreaking.

 

1) Rookie contracts are pretty much fixed so that's a poor argument. However, Welker is a vet and a players new contract is usually a reflection of a teams perceived value of what he is worth. In essence good players get good contracts. The patriots offered Amendola a contract similar to what Welker received, obviously the difference in age was a factor in the length of contracts. However Welker has proven to be a much more reliable receiver than Danny has ever been, so basically the Pats underrated Wes and overrated Danny as Welker accumulated twice as many yards in the same role for the Pats the previous year. Welker has a career catch percentage of 70% for crying out loud. Keep in mind that Smittys was about 56%. Obviously his role as 3rd WR means he is running shallower routes but that is still outstanding.

 

2) I assume you aren't a Panther fan because Smitty had over 1,000 yards the previous 2 years. The fact is he has never been a prolific TD guy. He is not the best red zone target due to his size. He has only ever had more than 10 TD's in a season once in his entire career here. His catch percentage was also above his career average last year at 58%. While most would concede he has lost a step since his prime years I also think most would agree it was his role under new OC Mike Shula that resulted in his reduced YPR, 11.6, which hasn't been so low since Clausen was the QB, 11.5.

 

Obviously losing arguable the best Panther of all time is going to upset almost everyone but it was the manner it played out in the media that upset people most. Many think Smitty deserved better than that. However, most also logically concluded that picking up his option bonus and guaranteeing his 2015 and 2016 salaries at 10 mill per year were not in the best interest of the Panthers salary cap wise due to Cams and Lukes contracts coming up shortly.

[CelticCat]

Look you can come to Colorado and blow Welker all you want. I'm sure there is a Broncos fan forum somewhere

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You're entitled to hate any player you want but Wes has been a productive player his entire career. It would be nice if you provided some reason why you feel he is overrated rather than hurling insults because the stats simply don't support that argument.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of Pats and Miami fans that regret him leaving their franchises too BTW.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

I was thinking about putting David as underrated because of his snubs from the media. However, I have to say that he is OVERRATED by the fans. To claim that he is the best defensive player in the league is a stretch. Especially when playing for a Tampa D that was mediocre last year and racking up stats because no one else can. I expect Tampa's D to be better as a whole this year but David won't get his gaudy stats.

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I said David too, but I was going by the media. Reddit legitimately thinks he's the single best defensive player in the NFL though, which is absolutely idiotic.

[saints4life25]

Controversial opinion here, even on the Huddle, but...

Overrated: Brees. He's really good, no doubt, but no poo a good QB is going to set a bunch of passing records playing in a domed stadium and throwing the ball 600+ times per season. He throws a ton of picks too compared to the guys he gets listed as being in the same tier with (Brady, Manning, Rodgers).

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Brees doesn't throw all that much more than Manning or Brady. Manning played in a domed stadium most of his career. Brees has the same interception % as Manning but both are higher than Brady. It's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, I'm just saying lol.

[The Huddler]

So basically you don't know what a game manager is and my post pointing that out is reaffirmed. Ok good deal.

Russell Wilson is over rated

[CelticCat]

Because Joel Dressen was just getting it done with manning the year before last right?

Orange Julius is legit

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You do realize Thomas has been a Bronco for 3 years now? Obviously he is a more talented prospect than Dressen or Tamme. However, he has only produced for 1 year.

 

Keep in mind that 4 receivers had over 10 TD's in the Bronco offense under Peyton last year when he threw for 55 TD's and 5,500 yards. That's a lot of TD's to go around wouldn't you agree. Also keep in mind both Dressen and Tamme combined for a similar number of catches and yards the previous year under Manning in 2012 when he threw for  almost 1,000 less yards and 17 less TD's. The difference is, Thomas stayed healthy and took over the role it took 2 guys to do previously.

 

Now compare that to Olsen who had both more catches and yards last year than Thomas last year. And that was in an offense where Cam threw for 2,000 less yards and 30 fewer TD's. He has also been a pretty consistent performer his entire career and definitely not a one hit wonder. I'm sure Thomas will build on last year but I'm also sure if Olsen was in that offense he'd have been to the pro bowl too. Maybe with Gonzo retiring he'll get some recognition next year.

[The Huddler]

So basically you don't know what a game manager is and my post pointing that out is reaffirmed. Ok good deal.

What is a game manager?

[TheRumGone]

Russell Wilson is over rated

Yes but he's not a game manager.

[CarolinaCoolin]

You do realize Thomas has been a Bronco for 3 years now? Obviously he is a more talented prospect than Dressen or Tamme. However, he has only produced for 1 year.

Keep in mind that 4 receivers had over 10 TD's in the Bronco offense under Peyton last year when he threw for 55 TD's and 5,500 yards. That's a lot of TD's to go around wouldn't you agree. Also keep in mind both Dressen and Tamme combined for a similar number of catches and yards the previous year under Manning in 2012 when he threw for almost 1,000 less yards and 17 less TD's. The difference is, Thomas stayed healthy and took over the role it took 2 guys to do previously.

Now compare that to Olsen who had both more catches and yards last year than Thomas last year. And that was in an offense where Cam threw for 2,000 less yards and 30 fewer TD's. He has also been a pretty consistent performer his entire career and definitely not a one hit wonder. I'm sure Thomas will build on last year but I'm also sure if Olsen was in that offense he'd have been to the pro bowl too. Maybe with Gonzo retiring he'll get some recognition next year.

Olsen was first or second option

Thomas was not.

Put Thomas on our team and he would ball.

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[CelticCat]

Olsen was first or second option

Thomas was not.

Put Thomas on our team and he would ball.

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You're missing the point. Thomas was obviously a product of Mannings ability. Dressen and Tamme had comparable production the previous year. Put any competent TE in that system and they would have racked up incredible numbers last year.

 

Olsen was clearly more valuable to us than Thomas was to Denver even though Thomas had more TD's. Therefore I believe Olsen to be underrated and Thomas overrated.

[CarolinaCoolin]

You're missing the point. Thomas was obviously a product of Mannings ability. Dressen and Tamme had comparable production the previous year. Put any competent TE in that system and they would have racked up incredible numbers last year.

Olsen was clearly more valuable to us than Thomas was to Denver even though Thomas had more TD's. Therefore I believe Olsen to be underrated and Thomas overrated.

Had comparable production when you combine their numbers together to not quite get Thomas' numbers his first year as a starter.

Olsen is more valuable to us because we didn't have Wes welker d. Thomas or Eric decker.

We had an old Steve smith and some nobodies that had a TE out produce them.

Take off the rose colored glasses and just admit Thomas is rated exactly where he should be and that's not a slight at Olsen

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