Cam ranked smack dab in the middle of QBs according to some league insiders

[rko396]

prove that cam is a quarter of the passer that luck is

Im sorry, i was under the impression that between the 2 QBs, there are 84 games to watch. God forbid you see anything for yourself. Seeing as 95% of ppl here havent watched more than 5 Colts games, I should have seen this coming. So what happens when I waste 2 hours of my life creating a 10 page document detailing exactly how he's better, showing footwork techniques, how he climbs in the pocket, delivers the ball the way only a few others in the league can, and his vision? When im linking gifs, youtube vids, self made vids, graphs, charts, and diagrams, you going to read through all that, then come back with:

"Ok I see your point, your right."

...? Im going to go with "no" on that one. Thanks tho.

Heres something for you to find more excuses with. We all hate ESPN/NFL Network. We all want them to be wrong and get fired constantly. But do ever think that maybe, just maybe, they could know just a sliver more about the game than you? You think they could ever be right on occasion? As much as you want them to be wrong, your 'will power' isn't changing facts . Sorry

[Mr. Scot]

Haven't read anything in this thread, so this is just my knee jerk reaction to the thread title. Having said that, can somebody please explain to me how he has broken damn near every QB record in his first three years, and is considered a "middle of the pack" QB by anyone? I realize that as a Panthers fan, I have homer glasses on, but I mean damn! Kid goes out there and holds so many individual records on some especially horrible clubs his first two years, and not one person in the mainstream media can point out that fact?

I realize he has accuracy issues, but c'mon man, stop blatantly disrespecting my damned QB! It's ok though I guess, because I know Cam sees these things, which will only cause his desire to be even better to burn hotter.

I'm just sick of seeing this stuff. It has nothing to do with being on a small market team. It has to do with "pundits" not knowing football. What really pisses me off is that these guys get paid hundreds of thousands (if not more) of dollars for these blind opinions, while I busy my ass every day for chump change. I'd welcome a debate with any of these "experts"! I gurandamnedtee you that I'd take their jobs.

The win-loss record is a big part of it. Prior to last season, it was decidedly average.

Another season like last year will do a lot to change those per de toons.

A down year though? Oy :unsure:

[Razeyfingers]

They asked 26 league insiders, not 32. I wonder if anyone on the Panthers were interviewed? Hmmmmmm I wonder if anyone in New England or the Colts were? Its not obvious or anything. Pittsburg? nahhhh that dude mentioned Ben by first name just because everyone knows Ben.

 

LoL this was worthless.

[Mr. Scot]

They asked 26 league insiders, not 32. I wonder if anyone on the Panthers were interviewed? Hmmmmmm I wonder if anyone in New England or the Colts were? Its not obvious or anything. Pittsburg? nahhhh that dude mentioned Ben by first name just because everyone knows Ben.

 

LoL this was worthless.

 

Top Whatever ranking lists pretty much always are.

 

You say Peyton Manning is ranked higher in the Top 100 than Aaron Rodgers?  Big deal.  I'd still take either one.

 

People act like it's some huge insult, but honestly so what? I don't really give a flying rip where my team's QB or MLB or WR or whomever rank on some arbitrary list as long as they win games.

[2jakefansinva]

I don't get it.........why do people get all pissed off with player rankings? 

 

I'm happy as hell Cam is my QB (no matter his ranking) and I would be equally as happy if Luck was.........what the hell is wrong with some of you?

[Oudaman90]

As fan of both the Panthers and Colts, i like Luck. He's good. He's a big reason that the Colts are winning anything. But the narrative that he is elite and head and shoulders above the rest of the young QBs just isn't true.

If he was as good as he is hyped up to be, his stats would attest to that. They don't. Why should Luck get a pass when Russell Wilson and Cam Newton don't. Fans, media outlets, coaches, and gms definately take that into account with Cam to declare he is average, but ignore that Luck's stats are similar, even worse in categories he get's praised for such as accuracy.

While his team is pretty average they aren't complete garbage. He has good weapons and his defense gets stops when it counts. Heck, in 2011 they almost beat us with Curtis Painter at QB!

Cam, Luck, and Wilson are darn close in play. The difference is one wasn't expected to do much because of his height, one is heralded as the best QB prospect since Elway, and one was suposed to be Vince Young 2.0 with Ryan Leaf's personality....

[Happy Panther]

Cam's stats are all mediocre from last year and that get's him ranked middle of the pack. I think the media doesn't realize that if we wanted him to lead the league in passing yards we could probably make that happen.

[Oudaman90]

That's a problem with our ugly football philosophy. Cam will never be able to sling it like the other elite quarterbacks. You don't get seen as elite being in a run-first, run-heavy offense with a great defense. You get labeled a game manager who's a great runner...

[Mr. Scot]

I don't really give an airborne rodent's rectum whether Cam leads the league in stats or not.  Ditto any other player.

 

Couple of years back, Brees finished the season with something like the second best QB stats of all time, but the Saints missed the playoffs.  What's that worth?

 

I'm not the kind to look back and go, "well we lost games, but hoo boy look at those stats" :unsure:

 

Win games.  If you have great stats, cool.  If not, who cares?

[†William Moore†]

he makes a better runningback than he does a quarterback. 

[†William Moore†]

I have my opinion too. As I've said, MJ wasn't the greatest pure shooter either, especially early in his career. Cam=MJ. GOAT=GOAT. More rounds the mental chamber for Cam.

 

This poo can't be serious 

[Mr. Scot]

he makes a better runningback than he does a quarterback. 

 

We're not talking about Vick or RG3 here.

 

Cam is a very capable passer in the Brett Favre / John Elway mode,  He's not always pinpoint accurate but he generally puts the ball where it's catchable.  Like most gunslinger types, he'll mix in a fair share of spectacularly perfect throws and the occasional unfortunate "WTF" type throw as well, but overall he gets the job done.

 

Consistency is his biggest weakness right now (again, like a lot of gunslingers).  Most of that owes to bad footwork, some of which owes to being chased around a lot because his protection hasn't exactly been elite.

 

My hope for this offseason: Work on his being a more consistent passer while offering him the kind of protection that will give him the time to make those improvements.

 

[†William Moore†]

We're not talking about Vick or RG3 here.

 

Cam is a very capable passer in the Brett Favre / John Elway mode,  He's not always pinpoint accurate but he generally puts the ball where it's catchable.  Like most gunslinger types, he'll mix in a fair share of spectacularly perfect throws and the occasional unfortunate "WTF" type throw as well, but overall he gets the job done.

 

Consistency is his biggest weakness right now (again, like a lot of gunslingers).  Most of that owes to bad footwork, some of which owes to being chased around a lot because his protection hasn't exactly been elite.

 

My hope for this offseason: Work on his being a more consistent passer while offering him the kind of protection that will give him the time to make those improvements.

 

I'd much rather have a stationary QB that can throw it 15 yards on point than a running one that can throw it 30 yards in a general direction. outside of highlights he won't bring much to the table as far a winning games.

 

even in 2013 he took more of a game manager role and let the defense do all the work.

[Oudaman90]

And Matty Ice makes a better tackling dummy than quarterback....