No. 26 Pick: P.J. Hairston

[WOW!!]

Just going to leave this here....

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings/regularseason/PG

Ranked 9th.

SI had him rated 10th tied with Irving.

So clearly, some of us aren't the only ones that see him as a top 10 PG.

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Don't bother Kemba has to score 30 a night and avg a triple double for a season before he gets credit from some people around here.

Let's remember you're dealing with a person who wanted to trade him for Michael (I don't know what league he's in) Kaybongo.

[ThinkAboutIt]

If you read any of my post you would see i'm not arguing who is better. Kyrie is better but not by as much as some think here.

 

Comprehend dude. That post of mine you just quoted was not about who is "better," it was about who would be better for the franchise. Kyrie would be, by a long shot. This is why:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlr0KZ3OWQw

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Not a fan of Kyrie's, and I don't want to see the Hornets offer a max (which is what Kyrie is getting from Cleveland/straight from the horses mouth) to a player that is moderately better than Kemba.

He's a very talented player but he's not the right fit for us.

First off he's not a leader, Cleveland has had more problems than any franchise in the NBA. Not to mention, when LUOL DENG (one of the quietest players in the NBA) says he wants out; there is obviously a problem. Superstars lead but instead Irving and Waiters find it more convenient for them to be at each other's throats.

Secondly, Irving is a one way player and his teams defense is significantly better when he's not on the floor. When Irving is on the floor the Cavs allow 106.3 points per game, when Irving is off the floor the Cavs only allow 99.5 points per game (that is good for 5th in the NBA). Furthermore that seven point swing would have been the difference in 20 of the Cavs games last year. However, not only does his team defense suck, his solo defense is below average. Opposing point guards post an 18.6 player rating against Kyrie (the league average is 15.0). Players are also scoring on him (0.90 points per possession) just as much as he scores on them (0.93 points per possession). So essentially his offense and defense wash out meaning that he doesn't affect the game.

Now I know some people are going to argue that Carmelo Anthony is also an awful defender. While that is true, his statistics are a level above Irving's which allows him to have a net affect on the game.

Personally, I don't want a player on the roster who commands max money and doesn't affect the game.

[WOW!!]

Not a fan of Kyrie's, and I don't want to see the Hornets offer a max (which is what Kyrie is getting from Cleveland/straight from the horses mouth) to a player that is moderately better than Kemba.

He's a very talented player but he's not the right fit for us.

First off he's not a leader, Cleveland has had more problems than any franchise in the NBA. Not to mention, when LUOL DENG (one of the quietest players in the NBA) says he wants out; there is obviously a problem. Superstars lead but instead Irving and Waiters find it more convenient for them to be at each other's throats.

Secondly, Irving is a one way player and his teams defense is significantly better when he's not on the floor. When Irving is on the floor the Cavs allow 106.3 points per game, when Irving is off the floor the Cavs only allow 99.5 points per game (that is good for 5th in the NBA). Furthermore that seven point swing would have been the difference in 20 of the Cavs games last year. However, not only does his team defense suck, his solo defense is below average. Opposing point guards post an 18.6 player rating against Kyrie (the league average is 15.0). Players are also scoring on him (0.90 points per possession) just as much as he scores on them (0.93 points per possession). So essentially his offense and defense wash out meaning that he doesn't affect the game.

Now I know some people are going to argue that Carmelo Anthony is also an awful defender. While that is true, his statistics are a level above Irving's which allows them to have a net affect on the game.

Personally, I don't want a player on the roster who commands max money and doesn't affect the game.

Thank you.

[WOW!!]

Comprehend dude. That post of mine you just quoted was not about who is "better," it was about who would be better for the franchise. Kyrie would be, by a long shot. This is why:

It would hurt the team more paying Kyrie money to a player who is only moderate better then the guy we have who will be cheaper.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Not a fan of Kyrie's, and I don't want to see the Hornets offer a max (which is what Kyrie is getting from Cleveland/straight from the horses mouth) to a player that is moderately better than Kemba.

He's a very talented player but he's not the right fit for us.

First off he's not a leader, Cleveland has had more problems than any franchise in the NBA. Not to mention, when LUOL DENG (one of the quietest players in the NBA) says he wants out; there is obviously a problem. Superstars lead but instead Irving and Waiters find it more convenient for them to be at each other's throats.

Secondly, Irving is a one way player and his teams defense is significantly better when he's not on the floor. When Irving is on the floor the Cavs allow 106.3 points per game, when Irving is off the floor the Cavs only allow 99.5 points per game (that is good for 5th in the NBA). Furthermore that seven point swing would have been the difference in 20 of the Cavs games last year. However, not only does his team defense suck, his solo defense is below average. Opposing point guards post an 18.6 player rating against Kyrie (the league average is 15.0). Players are also scoring on him (0.90 points per possession) just as much as he scores on them (0.93 points per possession). So essentially his offense and defense wash out meaning that he doesn't affect the game.

Now I know some people are going to argue that Carmelo Anthony is also an awful defender. While that is true, his statistics are a level above Irving's which allows them to have a net affect on the game.

Personally, I don't want a player on the roster who commands max money and doesn't affect the game.

 

All valid points. My biggest problem with Kyrie is he should be averaging at least 8 assists per game based on his wiggle and handles. I think on the right team he could, but even on Cleveland, he still should be. 

[ThinkAboutIt]

It would hurt the team more paying Kyrie money to a player who is only moderate better then the guy we have who will be cheaper.

 

If it's all about the money (for Kyrie), then that is true. If he really doesn't want to be in Cleveland, then he will end up taking less than what Cleveland will be offering him. 

 

What do you think will Kemba be making on his next contract if he stays in Charlotte?

[WOW!!]

If it's all about the money (for Kyrie), then that is true. If he really doesn't want to be in Cleveland, then he will end up taking than what Cleveland will be offering him.

What do you think will Kemba be making on his next contract if he stays in Charlotte?

8 to 10 million.

[Omega Atrocity]

Kemba will probably get a Teague-esque deal which would suit me fine. 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'm fine with giving Kemba his QO and matching anything up to $10 mil.

[MedellinHeel]

this thread about PJ or Kemba/Kyrie?

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

this thread about PJ or Kemba/Kyrie?

Hard to tell.

[rscott94]

Trying to get on subject....

What number will PJ wear with 15 being gone?

[Omega Atrocity]

Trying to get on subject....

What number will PJ wear with 15 being gone?

He wore 19 in the D League so my money goes there.