Straight up: Who are you sold on at #9?

[wingswithsting]

Question for everybody. OKC probably never does it, but what would it take to get Serve Ibaka from them?

[topher mcg]

Question for everybody. OKC probably never does it, but what would it take to get Serve Ibaka from them?

 

i imagine whatever they ask for, they would want us to take kendrick perkins and his huge contract as well! (salaries worth a total of $21m next year). i dont think its possible for the hornets to take on those contracts and give up enough talent while remaining competitive... 

[wingswithsting]

i imagine whatever they ask for, they would want us to take kendrick perkins and his huge contract as well! (salaries worth a total of $21m next year). i dont think its possible for the hornets to take on those contracts and give up enough talent while remaining competitive...

[wingswithsting]

Maybe, which would be the end of conversations with them. I think Ibaka would be perfect next to big Al though. He can knock down the 18 foot jumper, good rebounder, and fits into Cliffords defense first mentality while helping hide Al a little better

[davos]

At #9 we will have options to either upgrade a starting position, or add a very good rotation option. Our base line up, before any additions in free agency is:

Kemba / ?

Henderson / ?

MKG / ?

Zeller / ?

Jefferson / Biyombo

At #9 we could upgrade the PF position if Gordon or Randle fall to #9. Though would Randle and Jefferson be a good pairing? Possibly not in terms of defense. Gordon would bring athleticism and defense to the position, and as such, would allow us to let McRoberts walk in free agency and use the money elsewhere. Plus, with development Gordon could improve offensively.

The other option would be to go for a SG like Stauskas, Harris or Young. They could be day on starters, or guys that spend their first season or so on the bench as a sixth man before replacing Henderson. I do like Stauskas and think he could start or play sixth man effectively from day one.

Alternatively we could look to add a back up to Kemba like Elfrid Payton, Tyler Ennis or Zach LaVine. Though if we believe Kemba is our long term PG going forwards, do we draft a backup high or wait until #24 or free agency to do so?

For me, my favored options at #9 are:

1. Gordon

2. Stauskas

3. Harris

4. LaVine

5. Young

6. Randle

Good post.

At the end of the day, I think coming away with a day-1 starting SG could be the most ideal route for us to take in this draft. I love the talent that's there.

[Guest]

Question for everybody. OKC probably never does it, but what would it take to get Serve Ibaka from them?

 

The only scenario in which I can see OKC wanting to trade Ibaka is if their big three is broken up. For instance, Russell Westbrook is traded and Kevin Durant walks at the end of his current contract (unrestricted FA 2016). At that point Ibaka has one season left on his deal and they might decide to trade him rather than let him hit unrestricted free agency in 2017. This would initiate a full rebuild for the Thunder. I don't see that scenario happening because in Westbrook, Durant and Ibaka they have one of the best trios in the league, and for me, they will continue to build around those three guys and not trade any of them if they can avoid it. 

 

That said, the most likely member of their big three to be traded is Russell Westbrook. We've all seen the spats, and question marks as to whether the Thunder were better without him when he was injured, or with him when he came back from his injury. Again, I don't see them doing it. But if they believed they would improve by moving him and acquiring a more balanced back court, and a significant upgrade at center, then I suppose they would do it if it got them closer to the championship they desire.

 

i imagine whatever they ask for, they would want us to take kendrick perkins and his huge contract as well! (salaries worth a total of $21m next year). i dont think its possible for the hornets to take on those contracts and give up enough talent while remaining competitive... 

 

If we did take on Ibaka and Perkins, I would assume that one piece moving in the Thunder's direction would be Al Jefferson?

 

Now perhaps they would rather see Henderson go their way, or perhaps Kemba Walker. But for arguments sake let's say that deal we make is the following:

 

- Thunder receive: We draft their choice of player at (#9) and (#24), and send Al Jefferson

- Hornets receive: Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins

 

Now we currently have in the region of $17-19 million in cap space. If we add the Ibaka and Perkins contracts for next season ($21 million), that puts us over the cap by $2-4 million. By sending Jefferson their way we would be under the cap by $9.5-11.5 million. That would mean our starting line up would be - Walker / Henderson / MKG / Ibaka / Perkins. Would that compete? I'm not sure.

 

Let's go a different route:

 

- Thunder receive: Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, and their choice of player at (#9).

- Hornets receive: Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins. 

 

Once again we would be over the cap by $2-4 million with their contracts. But when you subtract Henderson ($6 million) and Walker ($3.2 million), we would then be left with $5.2-7.2 million in cap space. We could then add a player at (#24) and (#45). And perhaps bring in a fair priced free agent or two. With a line up like - Ennis / Jeffrey Taylor or free agent / MKG / Ibaka / Jefferson. Would that compete? Perhaps depending on how the new players mesh. 

 

It is like you say. I don't see a scenario in which we can maintain a competitive line up and acquire Serge Ibaka for a 'fair' price. If he was in the last year of his contract, then perhaps we could acquire him for our entire selection of draft picks (#9), (#24) and (#45), as long as we did a sign-and-trade type deal. If we could do that, then that would allow us to keep hold of key components and add another one. With a line up like - Walker / Henderson / MKG / Ibaka / Jefferson - that would be a very competitive team. But, it is fantasy to see Ibaka in a Hornets jersey. 

[wingswithsting]

Let's do a 3 team deal. Read all reasons before judging.

Hornets trade Biyombo, Henderson, #24, #45

Hornets get Ibaka, Perkins, Jamal Crawford

Thunder trade Ibaka and Perkins

Thunder get Hendo and DeAndre Jordan, #24

Clippers trade Jordan and Crawford

Clippers get Biyombo and #45

Hornets have about 19 million. Crawford, Ibaka and Perkins cost 26 million. Hendo and Biyombo are 10 million going out. That is 16 million in added salary.

Thunder get a big defensive Center and replacement for Sefalosha. They could sign Pau Gasol. Jordan, Gasol, and Hendo are better than Ibaka, Perkins, and Thabo

Clippers get Biyombo so they still have a defensive, rebounding Center. They do this as a salary dump along with getting rid of Dudley somehow, and they sign LeBron

Kemba,

Neal, Crawford

MKG, Taylor

Ibaka, Zeller

Al, Perkins

[davos]

A lot of trade scenarios being thrown around. I just don't think we're gonna be in the equation for Afflalo, Love or Klay as appealing as they sound.

I think we keep Hendo even though he's a movable asset.

[Guest]

A lot of trade scenarios being thrown around. I just don't think we're gonna be in the equation for Afflalo, Love or Klay as appealing as they sound.

I think we keep Hendo even though he's a movable asset.

 

I think if we could land Afflalo in exhange for the #9 pick in the draft. The Magic are in rebuild mode and should want to sell while Afflalo's value is high. If they get the #9 pick in the draft that leaves them with #4, #9, and #12. If they desired to trade up with the Cavs, that would give them the picks in which to do it with. They could send #4 and #12 to the Cavs for #1 and draft Parker or Wiggins, and then use the #9 pick to grab another talent to help them in their rebuild (eg. Stauskas, LaVine, Payton etc). For us, we would gain an upgrade at SG or SF depending on where Clifford played him.

For me, I think we have the ability to offer a good deal to Orlando for Afflalo.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I think if we could land Afflalo in exhange for the #9 pick in the draft. The Magic are in rebuild mode and should want to sell while Afflalo's value is high. If they get the #9 pick in the draft that leaves them with #4, #9, and #12. If they desired to trade up with the Cavs, that would give them the picks in which to do it with. They could send #4 and #12 to the Cavs for #1 and draft Parker or Wiggins, and then use the #9 pick to grab another talent to help them in their rebuild (eg. Stauskas, LaVine, Payton etc). For us, we would gain an upgrade at SG or SF depending on where Clifford played him.

For me, I think we have the ability to offer a good deal to Orlando for Afflalo.

They should sell while Afflalo's value is high but they aren't. They want two firsts for him and Chicago might give them that.

[Jakob]

I think Gary Harris is going to be the guy.

[davos]

I think Gary Harris is going to be the guy.

 

This is my gut feeling as well.  

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'm thinking it's Stauskas of McDermott

The front office is high on McDermott and Clifford is high on Stauskas.

[davos]

I'm thinking it's Stauskas of McDermott

The front office is high on McDermott and Clifford is high on Stauskas.

 

Stauskas makes a lot of sense for us.  Good scorer and would mesh well with what's going on.  

 

I like McDermott but just not for us.  Can't see taking him after taking Zeller last year.  Not b/c I'm comparing them but more-so how'd they would fit on the team together from an in-game standpoint.  He's not a guy that's a starting 3.  

 

I'm thinking it's Garry Harris or Nick Stauskas unless we move/trade/etc.  

 

I just think it'd be great to have a solid backcourt in place.