Carolina has almost $19M in dead money on the books

[AceBoogie]

He didn't want Nicks that badly or he would tried to lock him up right away and he didn't. He had some interest in him which intensified after all our other guys left in free agency. At that point we brought him in and did try and sign him. But I never heard it was for more than the Colts nor did I see whether it was long term or a 1 or 2 year deal. He obviously felt the pass happy Colts were a better fit so he went elsewhere. I don't think that deal was critical at all to our success so that we would overspend. Lets see what happens before we decide it was a botched deal or if we did the right thing. If he gets hurt again early in the year Gettleman will be looking like a soothsayer.

You can't predict injuries and anyone can get hurt. It wasn't a make or break deal. I just don't think the way out WRs shaped up was his initial plan. Now that's just my theory with no facts.

[AceBoogie]

If DG doesn't "force" Gross to take a paycut then how would we have been able to sign players last offseason that helped us to 12-4.

You think Gross is really gonna be like "oh fug that mean old GM Dave Gettleman, I'm just gonna retire Ill show him!" like he didn't have so much invested in his teammates that was obvious by his tears during his retirement

Gross was done physically and mentally...

and if you actually had heard the rest of what Gross said after that instead of getting your panties in a wad and blacking out about DG being a big meanie you would have heard this

"you never want to stay at the party too long or bad things will happen"

"I wasn't ready to leave until I thought the organization was ok again"

He's going to say all the right things because he's a stand up a guy, but the reason he isn't playing is because his contract was voided.

[TheRumGone]

He's going to say all the right things because he's a stand up a guy, but the reason he isn't playing is because his contract was voided.

 

lol

[AceBoogie]

Like you said if we are thinking 2014 perhaps so but what if Chandler or Bell do well. Then this whole conversation is moot. Gettleman thinks they will be fine. The rest of us are waiting to see. Come January this will be a great conversation to have.

I agree, I'm not on the bash Gettleman train anymore. I jumped off the moment he selected KB, but I don't agree with all of his decisions either.

[panthers55]

You can't predict injuries and anyone can get hurt. It wasn't a make or break deal. I just don't think the way out WRs shaped up was his initial plan. Now that's just my theory with no facts.

I suspect that the initial plan was to keep a guy like Ginn and perhaps LaFell as well. But Gettleman had a number in mind and when they exceeded that he wasn't willing to overpay in his estimation.  Some of the guys we have were likely plan B acquisitions not plan A.

[panthers123]

He's going to say all the right things because he's a stand up a guy, but the reason he isn't playing is because his contract was voided.

 

That is probably what you would do in Gross's situation but not everybody thinks like you. Gross is a stand up guy so he wouldn't be bitter and stop playing just because his contract got voided. 

[Whitaker 24]

Guys we have dead money because of signing bonuses? After we cut the players it stays with us?

[The Huddler]

No I state facts, name a fuging statement of mine that isn't a fact. Y'all are homers.

"no I state facts,.."

Aceboogie is back folks!!

[iamhubby1]

"no I state facts,.."

Aceboogie is back folks!!

The wife likes to say. "If I can think it, it can happen." I think Boogie must be related. Cuz he seems to have the same mentality. If he can think it, it must be true.

At least he is consistent. So he has that going for him.

[The Huddler]

The wife likes to say. "If I can think it, it can happen." I think Boogie must be related. Cuz he seems to have the same mentality. If he can think it, it must be true.

At least he is consistent. So he has that going for him.

Its all out of good spirit from me. Aceboogie is who he is and he's damn proud lol.

Aceboogie, its not you're direct point that are off, its mainly the style and approach you take installing your ideas on the forums. Frantic, insulting, superiority, it all works against you and you become an easy target.. And you damn embrace that poo. Lol

[MasterAwesome]

It's not a damn theory Gross basically said it himself. I can't find the exact quotes, but he said the reason that he didn't like Dave was because he asked him to take a paycut and he didn't feel like he should. Gross was going to play another year!! But when Dave Gettleman restructured his contract it made it void this offseason.

So what does that mean class? If Dave Gettleman doesn't force his PRO BOWL LT to take a paycut, he's our starting LT today.

 

 

He's going to say all the right things because he's a stand up a guy, but the reason he isn't playing is because his contract was voided.

 

So let me get this straight: when Gross speaks highly/positively of the organization, let's disregard that since oh he's just "saying the right things" cause he's a stand-up guy.  But if he says anything you deem to be less than flattering about the organization/Gettleman in particular, then he's being genuine.  Oh boy...you don't seem to have an agenda here at all!

 

You understand that even if Gettleman didn't alter his contract and he was still under contract this year, he could still retire right?  That doesn't seem very "factual" for you to declare that Gross would be playing this year if not for the voided contract.  You're assuming that he retired because the money wasn't good enough, rather than the hundred other reasons as to why he could have retired (health, spending time with family, heart not in it, pursuing other passions, etc.).  All these "facts" you claim you're stating are really just your own shoddy deductions which support your agenda.  Your posts are littered with a ton of hypotheticals.  Seriously?  Gross would not have retired if his contract wasn't voided?  Get out of here with that man...if I told you that Gross would have retired either way, that's just as ridiculous and (in)valid a statement.  Bottom line: no one knows what would have happened either way.  Your hypothetical scenario is no more valid than anyone else's.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Guys we have dead money because of signing bonuses? After we cut the players it stays with us?

It works like this:

You give the players the signing bonus up front. That is spread out equally across the length of the contract for cap purposes. Players, obviously, like signing bonuses because they get it sooner, and they are the reasons for dead money on cut players. That's why the signing bonus tends to be the most important part of a players contract.

[AceBoogie]

So let me get this straight: when Gross speaks highly/positively of the organization, let's disregard that since oh he's just "saying the right things" cause he's a stand-up guy. But if he says anything you deem to be less than flattering about the organization/Gettleman in particular, then he's being genuine. Oh boy...you don't seem to have an agenda here at all!

You understand that even if Gettleman didn't alter his contract and he was still under contract this year, he could still retire right? That doesn't seem very "factual" for you to declare that Gross would be playing this year if not for the voided contract. You're assuming that he retired because the money wasn't good enough, rather than the hundred other reasons as to why he could have retired (health, spending time with family, heart not in it, pursuing other passions, etc.). All these "facts" you claim you're stating are really just your own shoddy deductions which support your agenda. Your posts are littered with a ton of hypotheticals. Seriously? Gross would not have retired if his contract wasn't voided? Get out of here with that man...if I told you that Gross would have retired either way, that's just as ridiculous and (in)valid a statement. Bottom line: no one knows what would have happened either way. Your hypothetical scenario is no more valid than anyone else's.

He could retire but his own words were that he planned to play this season until his contract was set to void this offseason.

[AceBoogie]

Its all out of good spirit from me. Aceboogie is who he is and he's damn proud lol.

Aceboogie, its not you're direct point that are off, its mainly the style and approach you take installing your ideas on the forums. Frantic, insulting, superiority, it all works against you and you become an easy target.. And you damn embrace that poo. Lol

I enjoy being the target, I don't mind at all.