Carolina has almost $19M in dead money on the books

[TheRumGone]

Don't pretend to know me

 

we only know you from what you have posted and quite frankly you act like a petulant child. ignoring facts and coming up with theories based in your own fantasies.

 

we state facts and form an opinion. you state "pet theories"(as IRTPT stated) and form an opinion.

[AceBoogie]

we only know you because of what you have posted and quite frankly you act like a petulant child. ignoring facts and coming up with theories based in your own fantasies.

we state facts and form an opinion. you state "pet theories"(as IRTPT stated) and form an opinion.

No I state facts, name a fuging statement of mine that isn't a fact. Y'all are homers.

[panthers55]

A big problem that contributed to all this dead money was all the free money JR freed up in 2010. We basically had lotto money and Marty spent it that way by overpaying every player. If Marty ever won the lotto he would be one of those guys who end up broke in a few years. 

It was related to JR and Hurney but not as you suggest.  In 2010, JR cut all the vets to save money thinking the lockout was going to be long term and because he was pissed that we went 7-9 and he spent all this money to veterans.  Since he was chief negotiator and was holding a tough line he felt he would be able to crush the union. Then when other others like Kraft and Jones wanted to make a deal, JR's strategy backfired and we went 2-14.  We paid all that money to Williams and Johnson so they would play here instead of go elsewhere. JR and Hurney had to convince fans that we were serious about winning so they kept the players together and overpaid to avoid looking even cheaper when we let all of our good players go in free agency.  So his strategies cost us 10s of million and set us back several years because we didn't let Fox go at the end of 2009 like we should have done and got in cap hell.  Hurney only did what he told to do.

[panthers55]

This is an Internet forum correct? This is by no means a professional setting where one should go with the natural flow in order to progress in life. Too many people on this forum are too afraid to speak out and instead try to convince themselves that everything that comes from Mint St is correct.

Let's stop confusing a damn message board with real life, if you're too afraid to buck the norm and speak your mind on a message board...

Wrong completely.  People aren't afraid to speak out, they just don't do it like you do.  I speak my mind all the time and have disagreed with management many times.  But that doesn't mean that I have an agenda like you and keep beating a dead horse or refuse to listen to others.  You rarely get much credibility because you don't give it either.  Instead of "I am always right and the rest of you have no clue" type of attitude try entering into a discussion which is give and take and appreciates each other's point of view while disagreeing.

[TheRed]

I'll say one thing for AceBoogie, he knows how to rustle the jimmies.

[AceBoogie]

also you can feel free to post your proof that gross retired because "gettleman pissed him off" any time you want

it just sounds like a pet theory of yours but then again i'm not on your level so maybe there was some press release or interview i missed

It's not a damn theory Gross basically said it himself. I can't find the exact quotes, but he said the reason that he didn't like Dave was because he asked him to take a paycut and he didn't feel like he should. Gross was going to play another year!! But when Dave Gettleman restructured his contract it made it void this offseason.

So what does that mean class? If Dave Gettleman doesn't force his PRO BOWL LT to take a paycut, he's our starting LT today.

[TheRumGone]

Not really, but feel free to think that. Steve Smith should still be here, and he's not because of the drama Gettleman caused. Gross would still be here if he hadn't pissed him off when he first got here. Lafell was gone, but you know poo was getting ugly when they made one last attempt to sign him back. They wanted Ginn back and refused to pay him, not that I blame him for that one. But he dropped the ball on not signing Nicks. 

 

 

 

these are called theories not facts (especially the first bolded ones).

 

gettleman didn't botch nicks. he didn't want him here after talking with him. He literally said "I think you would be in a better position elsewhere"

 

so lol like he didn't offer him enough or that he actually wanted him and botched it.

 

Hurney cut Steve Smith and traded Beason?

 

this is a backhanded comment. and lol at you mentioning Beason at all. like it really fuging mattered. all of these FACTS are lost on you.

 

like a said before you come up with these pet theories and then say they are facts.

[AceBoogie]

these are called theories not facts (especially the first bolded ones).

gettleman didn't botch nicks. he didn't want him here after talking with him. He literally said "I think you would be in a better position elsewhere"

so lol like he didn't offer him enough or that he actually wanted him and botched it.

this is a backhanded comment. and lol at you mentioning Beason at all. like it really fuging mattered. all of these FACTS are lost on you.

like a said before you come up with these pet theories and then say they are facts.

You're a damn fool if you don't think he wanted Nicks. He couldn't lock Nicks up long term for the cheap so yea he told him to go get his prove it deal. It was reported we offered him a four year deal for slightly more than what he got with the Colts. Nicks wanted a prove it deal or more money long term. That deal should have gotten done.

[panthers55]

It's not a damn theory Gross basically said it himself. I can't find the exact quotes, but he said the reason that he didn't like Dave was because he asked him to take a paycut and he didn't feel like he should. Gross was going to play another year!! But when Dave Gettleman restructured his contract it made it void this offseason.

So what does that mean class? If Dave Gettleman doesn't force his PRO BOWL LT to take a paycut, he's our starting LT today.

I think there is some truth to your comment.  Gross didn't like the contract he was given and didnt think that he could work for what he was going to get paid.  But that wasn't all Gettleman's fault.  What left tackle in their 30s is going to be signed to a big contract? The reason the money didn't feel that great was because Hurney gave him so much in his last deal and when Gettleman said restructure or we have to part ways Gross did it for a year and then retired.  But remember that Gross hasn't been a pro-bowler in years and wasn't worth 8-10 million a year at this point.  Gross like Smitty were short term solutions not long term fixes.  Gettleman is thinking down the road not just 2014.

[AceBoogie]

I think there is some truth to your comment. Gross didn't like the contract he was given and didnt think that he could work for what he was going to get paid. But that wasn't all Gettleman's fault. What left tackle in their 30s is going to be signed to a big contract? The reason the money didn't feel that great was because Hurney gave him so much in his last deal and when Gettleman said restructure or we have to part ways Gross did it for a year and then retired. But remember that Gross hasn't been a pro-bowler in years and wasn't worth 8-10 million a year at this point. Gross like Smitty were short term solutions not long term fixes. Gettleman is thinking down the road not just 2014.

I understand the long term solution, and we as fans can't see the bigger picture. Right now all we see is Bell and Chandler. Depending on how that works out, Gross might have been worth it.

[panthers55]

You're a damn fool if you don't think he wanted Nicks. He couldn't lock Nicks up long term for the cheap so yea he told him to go get his prove it deal. It was reported we offered him a four year deal for slightly more than what he got with the Colts. Nicks wanted a prove it deal or more money long term. That deal should have gotten done.

He didn't want Nicks that badly or he would tried to lock him up right away and he didn't.  He had some  interest in him which intensified after all our other guys left in free agency.  At that point we brought him in and did try and sign him.  But I never heard it was for more than the Colts nor did I see whether it was long term or a 1 or 2 year deal. He obviously felt the pass happy Colts were a better fit so he went elsewhere.  I don't think that deal was critical at all to our success so that we would overspend.  Lets see what happens before we decide it was a botched deal or if we did the right thing. If he gets hurt again early in the year Gettleman will be looking like a soothsayer.

[panthers55]

I understand the long term solution, and we as fans can't see the bigger picture. Right now all we see is Bell and Chandler. Depending on how that works out, Gross might have been worth it.

Like you said if we are thinking 2014 perhaps so but what if Chandler or Bell do well.  Then this whole conversation is moot.  Gettleman thinks they will be fine.  The rest of us are waiting to see.  Come January this will be a great conversation to have.

[TheRumGone]

It's not a damn theory Gross basically said it himself. I can't find the exact quotes, but he said the reason that he didn't like Dave was because he asked him to take a paycut and he didn't feel like he should. Gross was going to play another year!! But when Dave Gettleman restructured his contract it made it void this offseason.

So what does that mean class? If Dave Gettleman doesn't force his PRO BOWL LT to take a paycut, he's our starting LT today.

 

If DG doesn't "force" Gross to take a paycut then how would we have been able to sign players last offseason that helped us to 12-4.

 

You think Gross is really gonna be like "oh fug that mean old GM Dave Gettleman, I'm just gonna retire Ill show him!" like he didn't have so much invested in his teammates that was obvious by his tears during his retirement

 

Gross was done physically and mentally...

 

and if you actually had heard the rest of what Gross said after that instead of getting your panties in a wad and blacking out about DG being a big meanie you would have heard this

 

"you never want to stay at the party too long or bad things will happen"

 

"I wasn't ready to leave until I thought the organization was ok again"

 

 

[updownsigma]

Sucks we never got to really take advantage of the rookie CBA with Cam, Luke, Hardy, and Star's contracts the way Seattle and San Fran have. Nope, we were stuck being cap strapped by players that weren't even playing for us.

Now as that dead money comes off the books, we'll be cap strapped again just trying to afford keeping Cam, Luke, Hardy, and Star all on the same team while putting a competitive team around them.

Sorry, but Hurney really screwed up what probably could have been our best window ever with all these overpriced, back loaded, guaranteed contracts.

I've had this exact same thought before. It's depressing haha.

However, if we draft well...we should be able to continue to have contributors for cheap. Just not early round studs like Cam and Luke for cheap. But yeah. fuging Hurney.

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